Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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Sherlock
OK, if we can't have magnetic grilles (which have both good and bad points) can we get metal studs instead of plastic? Like on ERA speakers?
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Mag_Neato
For what purpose? The pins are on the grill and not visible. It would only increase cost for no benefit.
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Sherlock
Plastic pins BREAK.
Actually, the plastic grille pins we use on our Sierra-1 (also on CMT-340) do not break. While they can certainly break free from the grille frame itself, there is no difference in that regard between the metal pins (aluminum) and the plastic ones we use. With approximately 15,000 grilles out there using these pins, we have never received a report of a broken pin, not one. I should also mention that I have seen the aluminum pins "pit" over time when a customer's residence is near the shore. Living near the shore myself, there is nothing more annoying than pitted aluminum.
That being said, I know at least one of our competitors actually uses the fact that they use "metal" grille pins in their marketing. The metal pins really don't cost more than the plastic ones (pennies) and they certainly don't last longer either. You learn these seemingly small things when you have been doing this as long as I have.
While I do understand that using the metal pins might appear as a more durable, more expensive grille frame -- it isn't ;)
Note: Just tried to break one with a pliers... The plastic pin will rip out from the grille frame well before it will snap in half. It is really tough to break one of these.
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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davef
Actually, the plastic grille pins we use on our Sierra-1 (also on CMT-340) do not break. While they can certainly break free from the grille frame itself, there is no difference in that regard between the metal pins (aluminum) and the plastic ones we use. With approximately 15,000 grilles out there using these pins, we have never received a report of a broken pin, not one. I should also mention that I have seen the aluminum pins "pit" over time when a customer's residence is near the shore. Living near the shore myself, there is nothing more annoying than pitted aluminum.
That being said, I know at least one of our competitors actually uses the fact that they use "metal" grille pins in their marketing. The metal pins really don't cost more than the plastic ones (pennies) and they certainly don't last longer either. You learn these seemingly small things when you have been doing this as long as I have.
While I do understand that using the metal pins might appear as a more durable, more expensive grille frame -- it isn't ;)
Note: Just tried to break one with a pliers... The plastic pin will rip out from the grille frame well before it will snap in half. It is really tough to break one of these.
Good news, thanks for the info. I've been leery of plastic pins after years of seeing ad's on audigon, 'Blah Speaker, good condition, one of the four pins on the grill cloth is busted, but the other three work fine'.
I certainly love the finish and construction quality on my 1's and am looking forward to updating them with the new tweeter and crossover!
PS: Am waiting patiently for news on the .5, too!
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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Sherlock
Good news, thanks for the info. I've been leery of plastic pins after years of seeing ad's on audigon, 'Blah Speaker, good condition, one of the four pins on the grill cloth is busted, but the other three work fine'.
I certainly love the finish and construction quality on my 1's and am looking forward to updating them with the new tweeter and crossover!
That is well understood. I should say that there are many different styles of grille pins -- it is more the style than the material used when it comes to breaking. The short pin and rubber grommet style that is used in the Sierra's and 340's have proven to be extremely durable.
With the grille installed on a cabinet, I just took a hammer and hit down hard at the top of the grille frame in an attempt to shear off one of the pins... I broke the MDF grille frame itself :(
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Sherlock
PS: Am waiting patiently for news on the .5, too!
This speaker is proving to be quite the challenge!
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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davef
This speaker is proving to be quite the challenge!
Do you have working dimensions yet? You could go for the nostalgia crowd and make it exactly LS3/5a sized, 12" high by 7.5" wide by what - about 7" deep?
Or a little smaller would be nice, too.
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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Sherlock
Do you have working dimensions yet? You could go for the nostalgia crowd and make it exactly LS3/5a sized, 12" high by 7.5" wide by what - about 7" deep?
Or a little smaller would be nice, too.
Trying to go smaller with it... The challenge is finding a suitable 4" woofer that can deliver the bass, power handling and efficiency that we are aiming for. We found one, but it is crazy expensive and if we were to use this, the cost of the Sierra .5 would be the same as the Sierra-1.
We are not giving up on this -- I love the challenge, but I don't want to delay the other products in the interim. I want a clean to do list before I dive deep into this one as it is going to take a lot of time and a lot of sampling...
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
How much longer are we expecting to wait for the new sierra and the tower?
Thanks
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
I just took a look at the prtotype towers and it seems like it uses the same woofer the sierra are using. Since the tower has a dedicated mid, the woofer not longer have to cover the mid spectrum. I was wondering how much lower can we expect from these 5.25 compare to the current sierra? I am sure those woofer are great, but wouldnt in a three way, be better with a larger woofer instead of having a dual woofer?
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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RicardoJoa
I just took a look at the prtotype towers and it seems like it uses the same woofer the sierra are using. Since the tower has a dedicated mid, the woofer not longer have to cover the mid spectrum. I was wondering how much lower can we expect from these 5.25 compare to the current sierra? I am sure those woofer are great, but wouldnt in a three way, be better with a larger woofer instead of having a dual woofer?
Not necessarily. You need to take into account the cabinet size and ports as well. A slimmer cabinet also lends itself better for imaging.
As mentioned, the tower plays noticeably deeper than the Sierra.
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
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RicardoJoa
I just took a look at the prtotype towers and it seems like it uses the same woofer the sierra are using. Since the tower has a dedicated mid, the woofer not longer have to cover the mid spectrum. I was wondering how much lower can we expect from these 5.25 compare to the current sierra? I am sure those woofer are great, but wouldnt in a three way, be better with a larger woofer instead of having a dual woofer?
From my understanding, dont quote me on this, but the tower should go about 10hz deeper than the sierra-1;)
In my opinion, the sierra-1 itself plays deeper than most similar sized bookshelfs, so having a larger enclosure plus two woofers that primarily focus in the lower bass regions is ideal!
Re: Information about new Sierra-1 and Towers?
I dont doubt the woofers, just that the size will have a limit factor on how low it can played without sacrafying sensitivity. Lets wait and see.