TV stand for sierra horizon?

[Elmo]

What tv stands do you guys use for your sierra horizon?

Before I buy speakers id like to make sure i have room for them. I have a 65 inch tv that weighs about 150lbs. Need to find a tv stand that can hold the massive ascend center.

Only option i've found so far is a salamanders design triple with custom riser. Only costs $1600..............................


Looking for any other tv stand options as wall mounting IS NOT an option for the tv.

[Blutarsky]

I experimented with putting a Sierra-1 center in a cabinet. The sound was poor, even with a B plug. We "bit the bullet" and wall mounted the TV. Now have the custom compact Horizon on the Cabinet under the monitor.

During my search for alternatives to wall mounting I ran across the BDI Stands, and Arena Mount. This allows the TV to be elevated on a stand with the cabinet under it. The Horizon might still be too tall. At least it is something to consider.

http://www.bdiusa.com/theater/arena.shtml

Blutarsky

[curtis]

I experimented with putting a Sierra-1 center in a cabinet.
The Sierra Horizon Center with its front slot ports is a different animal than the Sierra-1 Center. It should sounds much better if in a cabinet...if you can find one suitable.

The Horizon is strong enough so that the TV could sit on it.

[Blutarsky]

I agree that the front ports are a difference. Still... Better to not put it in a cabinet. I haven't seen any cabinets with a center speaker opening big enough for a Horizon. Maybe a custom one? Cabinet makers are pretty reasonable. If you don't get exotic on the wood.

Ive been wondering if the fabled Sierra-2 speakers will be front ported?

[curtis]

I agree that the front ports are a difference. Still... Better to not put it in a cabinet. I haven't seen any cabinets with a center speaker opening big enough for a Horizon. Maybe a custom one? Cabinet makers are pretty reasonable. If you don't get exotic on the wood.

Ive been wondering if the fabled Sierra-2 speakers will be front ported?

Agreed.

If a Sierra-1 can be upgraded to a Sierra-2, then it is probably not front ported.

[Blutarsky]

Maybe a different animal?

B.

[curtis]

Maybe a different animal?

B.
Possibly...but still rear ported.

[Blutarsky]

I can easily imagine a front ported stand mounted monitor from the
Ascend Skunk Works. We can all chose a name?

B.

[curtis]

I can easily imagine a front ported stand mounted monitor from the
Ascend Skunk Works. We can all chose a name?

I am sure Dave has all kinds of prototypes. It is all about performance, value, and what will sell.

[Alleric]

This is precisely why we had our console custom built. The spot where my center Sierra lives is 2 feet across and plenty tall enough for most centers (though not a horizon).

These guys also sell consoles specific to the needs of more audio-agressive folks: http://www.standoutdesigns.com/

If it's me though, I'd find a local cabinet maker and work something out. Shipping on a large piece of furniture like this... oh boy.

[Blutarsky]

I like the Standout designs furniture. Might fit one of the Compact Horizon Centers. Like ours.

A custom console with a painted finish might be very reasonable. Trendy even.

My eventual goal would be the Monitor on the wall, all 3 front speakers on stands, and my componets in a closet, or rack/console off to the side. A speaker as wonderful as the Horizon STC shouldn't be constrained.

Blutarsky

[davef]

I can easily imagine a front ported stand mounted monitor from the
Ascend Skunk Works. We can all chose a name?

B.

Something like this beast perhaps ;)

[davef]

What tv stands do you guys use for your sierra horizon?.

Here is a link to what we use in our demo room. http://www.omnimount.com/products/home_theater_furniture/modena_series/modena_55fp/

Omnimount makes a line of stands where the TV mounts to the stand itself and the center then fits underneath the TV. It is an excellent solution.

[JustaSheep]

Something like this beast perhaps ;)

Obviously, this has addition placement benefits compared to the towers, but how do they sound in comparison and if there is a difference, what do you attribute it to?

[hearing specialist]

Something like this beast perhaps ;)

I stare, stare, then stare some more....my dream setup would be 5 of these all vertical except the center being horizontal, and 2 F15's :cool:

[curtis]

The custom centers are dual purpose!

[Dark Ranger]

WOW!! :eek:

Dave, you just made me sick. Now I'll be useless the rest of the day. That looks amazing.


EDIT: My wallet suddenly felt a lot lighter.

[Blutarsky]

Ah, yes...The new Ascend Beast.

I am a Ascend Tower owner, and ex Sierra-1 owner, who still prefers stand mounted speakers.

I thought hard about getting the modified Ascend Horizons across the front. to go with my custom compact Horizon.

I would have wanted custom Sound Anchor stands too. Thus, coming in about 2 Grand more than a pair of Ascend Towers. if the price of the modified Horizons comes down to the price of the Towers, there will be some difficult decisions being made. There will be Zero competition in that price range. With The RAAL..... ?

5 in a room... better be a big room! I will be there with a chilled bottle of Martinelli's sparkling apple juice.

Blutarsky

[gln2]

Blutarsky, please expand a bit. Am I misreading when I think your saying that your movement from Sierra-1's over to Towers was not a big positive? Is this for music or HT?

I also found out that the modified compact Horizon is too expensive for me. How about David taking pre-orders for a couple of months so that the production run could be larger, thereby enabling a lower price!

[Blutarsky]

I traded up from my Sierras because I needed more SPL for my large room, and the Towers are more efficient. If I had a small room I would pick the Sierras again. Choose the right tool for the job. I love both.

In fact, we are looking at floor plans for a new smaller home, and I assumed from the git-go, I would have Sierras.

B:)

[gln2]

Hmm. I have a small media room, 13ft W x 14.5ft. Sitting 10.5ft away from cabinet center shelf. Primarily for HT, with a sub. Most opinions seem to be to get the towers, they are much better. I was leaning that direction and was thinking to just suck it up and pay for Towers, with a compact Horizon because I would not be happy with any less. But the costs of purchasing the 3 front seem to be just to much for me.

So now you got me thinking that maybe I could be happy with 3 sierra-1 NrT's across the front (center horizontal), since you really did like them in comparison. I was thinking also if towers are much better for HT use, to save $ just do a 4.1 setup with two towers and no center at all. Stereo does fill the center when one is seated on the triangle apex, which I always do as couch is parallel to the media cabinet.

I believe you have a Standout cabinet? I've got their "Horizon Plus" model which has a 25 3/4 wide center speaker opening. Sierra-1 Center could not go on top, it would block my 63" Plasma which is standing on cabinet top. From another post I saw that you had your Sierra inside the shelf and was not happy? Using the plug, possibly, I should also cut 2 or 3 three inch holes in the cabinet back to improve the situation? Any opinion?

[Blutarsky]

We have a Furnitech stand like..

http://www.theaterseatstore.com/furnitech-ft62rb?sc=12&category=511901

I am using the center shelf for my Dish DVR without the grill.

How high are your ceilings? How loud do you like?

The Sierra-1 speakers are very good. Most people would consider them to be high end. I really liked the stock dome tweeter. You can always order some to try out, and upgrade to Towers within 30 days. . Order the Q Plugs, And devote some time to speaker placement.

I would put the center on top of the cabinet if possible.

B.

[davef]

Obviously, this has addition placement benefits compared to the towers, but how do they sound in comparison and if there is a difference, what do you attribute it to?

These sound just like the Sierra Towers only in a different form factor. These cabinets actually have the same internal volume as the towers, same crossover, same drivers...


WOW!! :eek:

Dave, you just made me sick. Now I'll be useless the rest of the day. That looks amazing.


EDIT: My wallet suddenly felt a lot lighter.

Thanks! I have been considering doing a large quantity run of these cabinets, which would bring the price down to the same as the towers. As it stands now, the price is $1598 each. I am just not sure if there is a large enough market for such a big standmount LCR, aside from a few orders here and there. I am concerned that we would not be able to recoup our expenses on these and we need to be careful these days as we have a lot invested in the forthcoming Sierra-2 and I am growing more concerned about the economy :(

[gln2]

David,

I may be getting confused with your models, as your website needs a drastic re-write. (Towers or Horizon not listed on the "All Speakers" page, and when you click on the Sierra Tower dropdown, still no listing of the matching Horizon center speaker, which is difficult to find on the site. Only see it hidden on an order page, but it's dimensions and specs I still can't find! I could see shoppers coming to your website to look at your towers, but leaving to shop elsewhere after not seeing a matching center.

Isn't this new "compact Horizon" speaker an ideal match as a center channel with the Towers for those who do not want the much larger Horizon center? I would think you would get more orders for the Towers + Compact, than the Towers + big Horizon. That Horizon is huge. I think many more people are putting HT systems in average to small L/Rooms than larger spaces, and this smaller center also would fit into most cabinets, and even if placed on cabinet top this would be more readily accepted by spouses than the larger speaker placed on top. Having this smaller matching center would probably also get you more tower orders, since some shoppers would not leave for another co's product line, if they can't work with the large Horizon. I wonder if other mfg's sell more of their large center vs their moderate sized center model.

[Dark Ranger]

Glenn,

There is a thread dedicated to the Sierra Horizon here (http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?t=4914). It has 24 pages (at the moment) of questions, pictures, and product info about the standard model and some of the custom variants. :)

There are many of us here with the Horizons, so if you have questions not addressed in that thread, ask away!

[gln2]

Thank-you for that info.

[Elmo]

the omni stands are too small for my tv !!!

Can you post a picture of your auditioning room dave?

[Elmo]

Ok i found a stand............................However the center speaker would only be 3-4 inches from the ground.


http://www.bdiusa.com/theater/cirrus_8157.shtml#.UKf6dGdB840

Would have to remove center channel shelf and place speaker on the bottom shelf.

Workable or should i really try and make center channel be closer to tower heights?

[curtis]

Ok i found a stand............................However the center speaker would only be 3-4 inches from the ground.


http://www.bdiusa.com/theater/cirrus_8157.shtml#.UKf6dGdB840

Would have to remove center channel shelf and place speaker on the bottom shelf.

Workable or should i really try and make center channel be closer to tower heights?
With the center channel being so low, will there be anything like a coffee table in front of it?

[Blutarsky]

It is so easy to mount your monitor on the wall. We managed it in about an hour and used a plastic cover, painted to match, over the wires. Crutchfield's web site has a tool for all the measurements, depending on the mount, and monitor.

The Center channel will sound so much better on the cabinet. . A couple of days ago, I used a couple of sorbothane pads to raise the front of our custom Horizon center speaker.about 3/4". I was surprised at the improvement. The Mid Range coupling with our Towers is spot on. I am now listening to music with the three front speakers set large, and no sub, using Yamaha's "seven channel" stereo setting. What a sound stage! I always felt that the cabinet between the speakers affected the imaging. ( We have a 3.1 set up)

B.

[Elmo]

With the center channel being so low, will there be anything like a coffee table in front of it?

No there will not be.


It is so easy to mount your monitor on the wall. We managed it in about an hour and used a plastic cover, painted to match, over the wires. Crutchfield's web site has a tool for all the measurements, depending on the mount, and monitor.

The Center channel will sound so much better on the cabinet. . A couple of days ago, I used a couple of sorbothane pads to raise the front of our custom Horizon center speaker.about 3/4". I was surprised at the improvement. The Mid Range coupling with our Towers is spot on. I am now listening to music with the three front speakers set large, and no sub, using Yamaha's "seven channel" stereo setting. What a sound stage! I always felt that the cabinet between the speakers affected the imaging. ( We have a 3.1 set up)

B.

No way of wall mounting due to space. Ceiling angles to wall. Max height at TV position is 5'10.

[JustaSheep]

It is so easy to mount your monitor on the wall. We managed it in about an hour and used a plastic cover, painted to match, over the wires. Crutchfield's web site has a tool for all the measurements, depending on the mount, and monitor.

The Center channel will sound so much better on the cabinet. . A couple of days ago, I used a couple of sorbothane pads to raise the front of our custom Horizon center speaker.about 3/4". I was surprised at the improvement. The Mid Range coupling with our Towers is spot on. I am now listening to music with the three front speakers set large, and no sub, using Yamaha's "seven channel" stereo setting. What a sound stage! I always felt that the cabinet between the speakers affected the imaging. ( We have a 3.1 set up)

B.

I'm with you, B. I think he said that wasn't an option. I was very uncertain about doing it, too, but it was really easy and the results are great! We used a mount that extends out about 28" so the monitor seems to float above the center. Couldn't be happier with the results. The tweeters are nearly on the same plane, l/c/r, and I think I will prop the center up a few inches to make them even.

My wife and I did it in about an hour and 1/2 and there were ZERO four letter words involved. :) That in and of itself is a feat, or tells you how easy it was.

[Elmo]

I'm with you, B. I think he said that wasn't an option. I was very uncertain about doing it, too, but it was really easy and the results are great! We used a mount that extends out about 28" so the monitor seems to float above the center. Couldn't be happier with the results. The tweeters are nearly on the same plane, l/c/r, and I think I will prop the center up a few inches to make them even.

My wife and I did it in about an hour and 1/2 and there were ZERO four letter words involved. :) That in and of itself is a feat, or tells you how easy it was.


how high are the tweeters of tower from ground?

[JustaSheep]

how high are the tweeters of tower from ground?

The towers are about 34" off the carpeted floor, measured to the center of the dome. My center currently is about 31" from the floor. Before I go through the trouble of raising it and the TV 3", I will angle the speaker using foam pads and a laser pointer to see if I notice a difference.

[Blutarsky]

Regarding space for monitor...

We use a 55 Inch Monitor. our stand is 24 inches tall, with a compact horizon center, 4 inches space from the Horizon to the bottom of the monitor. The top of the monitor is 61 inches from the floor.

Look at Crutchfields tool linked to their wall mount section. It depends on the mount, and monitor. A 63" might fit. They give the measurements for the screw holes to the 1/4 inch. ( You do need to have room to lift the hooks over the mount)

A good project when Thanksgiving company is there. Lots of free advice :-)

B

[davef]

the omni stands are too small for my tv !!!

Can you post a picture of your auditioning room dave?

Here you go :)

[Elmo]

thanks for the picture. I already have a stand now just deciding on raal or not :D. Taking me way longer than i thought. Wish i lived closer so could test it out myself.