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Ad-Rok
02-09-2006, 07:09 PM
These are the finest home-use loudspeakers I have ever heard in my life.

There, I said it. No qualifiers before that sentence. A few qualifiers here though:

I would consider myself an audiophile and videophile with a passion for researching, designing and building high-performance, low-cost AV and computer systems as a hobby. I won first place overall and first place Sound Quality in the only car stereo competition I ever entered with the comments "That frequency response is so flat, you should go to Nationals." And I built that system on a high-school budget for 1/5th the price of the 2nd-place pro. That was 16 years ago. Thus, I have had a long and obsessive desire to eek out maximum AV performance for minimal money. It is a thrill. I considered buying the best speaker components available that most of the upper "high-end" speaker makers use from companies such as SEAS or Accuton and building a DIY speaker based on the designs of Joe D'Appolito, one of the Godfathers of speaker design. But then I found David Fabrikant's outfit here, after reading dozens of reviews of his speakers with literally almost nothing bad to say about them from some very experienced listeners. I spoke to David, found his story honest and hopeful and his frequency response graphs astounding, and decided to take the plunge.

Boy was I right.

After I unboxed and jacked in my new Ascend Acoustics 340SE pair and I played a full-range test track from the IASCA 1999 Test Disc and then my reference SQ disc, Spyro Gyra's Collection, my mouth was agape the entire time. These are the most faithfully accurate speakers I have ever auditioned below those costing tens of thousands of dollars more, and they are more accurate than most in even that range. I have just been listening to my entire music collection again for the past three and a half hours, and it has never sounded this good. I have heard or owned the best of everything B&W, Boston, Polk, Klipsch and the other mainstream brands make, I have heard Paradigm, Energy, Definitive Technology, PSB, and others in the supposedly higher end "off-mainstream" category, and I have heard Focal Utopia, Krells and Genesis speakers a few times as well. I have Focal Polykevlar components and Image Dynamics speakers in my car. These two simple Ascend acoustics speakers put them all to SHAME. Not because they sound superior to all but the unattainable, spoiled-rich Oil Baron tip top of the line, but because they do so while costing as much as the schwaggiest paper cone **** or Wal-Mart junk you could find. In the kids' vernacular, these speakers just OWN.

I am not even driving them with optimal gear, relying on lossless digital audio stored on my home-built Media Center PC piped through a Denon AVR-2801. That's it. Not even amp separates. I'll be hooking up my Sony CD player again verify my PC as a noise-free source, but it still sounds phenomenal, being so accurate as to highlight faults in the recordings of some albums over others. It is as if I can hear the best and worst use of all those switches and knobs in the recording and mastering studio, and I find myself wishing some of my favorite bands had better recordings. Still, there is no fatigue at all listening to these near-perfect speakers because they are so full, so clear, so true to the sound being fed to their voicecoils.

Given a high-quality recording, most people are not used to listening for, and listening to speakers that become essentially "invisible" by making you think you are listening to a live performance in your living room. The twang of your favorite guitarist's hands moving down the frets, the twitch of a drumstick in a muted rimshot, the swoon of a gifted female vocalist, the FULL full-on bass rhythms of the latest hip-hop beats: all are hard to come by in home audio. Yet, pure sound reproduction accuracy is obviously what David Fabrikant set out to achieve when designing these speakers. The stumper of it all is how he managed to bring speaker "invisibility" to us at these prices. [Aside: How much do you love the internet now?] David, you have provided nothing less than sonic perfection for the masses. The "democratization" of high-end audio is here, and I believe it starts with Ascend Acoustics.

I will likely post more thoughts on these soon, but I'm going to settle into some Dave Brubeck, OutKast, Sublime, Dave Matthews, Nickel Creek, Bach, Mozart, Sting and Gwen Stefani. Music is a wonderful thing for me in my home, again, and I haven't even popped in a DVD yet, so I'll post some thoughts there soon too.

Buy these speakers now so you only have to wait a few months for them. David, bravo and thanks!

Best,
Adam

Quinn
02-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Welcome aboard. Many of us feel the same way.

Lou-the-dog
02-09-2006, 07:45 PM
Wow Adam! You've confirmed my thoughts perfectly. Nice job! Welcome!

Randy

Ad-Rok
02-09-2006, 08:10 PM
Wow Adam! You've confirmed my thoughts perfectly. Nice job! Welcome!

Randy

Thanks! Hope I didn't drone on too long there, I was just inspired...as I know many of you are as well. Here's to good listenin'! :cheers:

-Adam

pegleg
02-10-2006, 10:54 AM
Wonderful review, Adam! If I weren't already on the list top upgrade my 340s, I'd sure do so after reading your terrific review. But I already know "the truth."

Pegleg

Ad-Rok
02-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Wonderful review, Adam! If I weren't already on the list top upgrade my 340s, I'd sure do so after reading your terrific review. But I already know "the truth."

Pegleg


Thanks :-)

I'm getting absolutely hammered over at AVS Forum for being "too positive" in my review. Sometimes the "middle of the road" police over there and the trollers get out of hand...ugh! Anyway, glad to hear praise here.

Thanks,
Adam

Jacob C
02-10-2006, 05:24 PM
I was about to order a pair and, as usual, my car broke again. Its crazy how this happens everytime. This tempts me to just throw it on the card....but I will resist. Awesome review. I have not heard the SE's yet but I imagine they are amazing.

P.S. Anyone want to give me a new car?

sensibull
02-10-2006, 05:26 PM
I'm getting absolutely hammered over at AVS Forum for being "too positive" in my review.

Don't sweat it. AVS denizens are inherently skeptical and combative. Hell, every online forum is. Well, except for this one. I'm sensing a pattern here ;)

Now get off the Internet and go back to enjoying your new speakers :)

Lou-the-dog
02-10-2006, 05:57 PM
Hey Adam, don't let it get to you. You did an excellent job expressing your thoughts and have noteworthy personal experience to back it up. Your obvious enthusiasm in all things audio is refreshing.


Randy

Lou-the-dog
02-10-2006, 06:17 PM
I was about to order a pair and, as usual, my car broke again. Its crazy how this happens everytime. This tempts me to just throw it on the card....but I will resist. Awesome review. I have not heard the SE's yet but I imagine they are amazing.

P.S. Anyone want to give me a new car?

SHOOT! I JUST gave away my last free new car yesterday! I wish I woulda known sooner bud! :D

Hey Jacob, good things are worth waiting for! You might want to get your name on the backorder list anyway. Maybe by the time the backorder is cleared up your car will be behaving better. :D

Randy

Asliang
02-10-2006, 06:40 PM
The problem at AVS is there are a couple guys who, instead of responding to posts, nitpick over your grammer, and keep stringing you along until you finally fight with them, and they innocently ask "what, it's not sensible that I ask you to explain yourself?" as if you've been the one prolonging the pointless argument and derailing the thread.

Then there are those who state matter of factly "you have no right to that opinion, unless [fill criteria I demand]"

The sad thing is that the moderator does not control this kind of bullying. Even sadder when someone with real audio knowledge posts and next thing you know these same guys pounce on him, telling him "only what your ears say matters," when clearly whenever someone posts what they hear, unless it goes with the party line, they get ostracized for it! AVS...is a really sad place. There are around 4-5 guys who continually do this [to] forum regulars and new posters, as if it's "their space" and they can create the posting rules, and it doesn't apply to them. It's sad, just sad the forum is run by them and not the moderator.

Quinn
02-10-2006, 08:54 PM
The big problem is how remarkably close this is to another thread for another consumer direct speaker company. That thread, about 3-4 years ago now, and the avowing that that speaker was the best ever at that price point made any thread about that company's products a target for attacks. The original thread I think still holds the record for largest AVS thread on speakers. You no longer see fans of that company post much on AVS do to the rath of those who hated all their best ever talk.

Everyone loves the speaker they have chosen and when you post about a speaker being the best and beating others people take it personally. People take it as their decision being attacked.

FirstReflect
02-10-2006, 11:49 PM
Yeah...and those kids broke Piggy's glasses too!

:p

Seriously though...nice, glowing review. If it were the only glowing review of Ascend speakers, I would be skeptical, but almost every review of Ascend speakers is a glowing review. Perhaps every person who has ever heard Ascend speakers is just delusional, but I think that is highly unlikely :D

Jon

davef
02-11-2006, 12:26 AM
Hi Adam,

Thank you for the exceptionally well written review... I will say that I fully appreciate it so thank you.

It was nice speaking with you today and I did read the complete mess on AVS (thanks for letting me know). I don't really know how to comment on what happened over there but as most people recommended, don't sweat it. You enjoy your new speakers and that is what matters most to you.

An exceptionally positive review turns into a war, an exceptionally negative review turns into a war, I personally don't think it is wise to allow mediocrity to become the norm... but this seems to be well represented and even encouraged in today's society...

Adam... Again, I thank you :)

Jonnyozero3
02-14-2006, 08:33 AM
An exceptionally positive review turns into a war, an exceptionally negative review turns into a war, I personally don't think it is wise to allow mediocrity to become the norm... but this seems to be well represented and even encouraged in today's society...


This reminds me of a quote from the Incredibles...

Dash: Dad always said our powers were nothing to be ashamed of. Our powers made us special.
Helen: Everyone's special, Dash.
Dash: Which is another way of saying no-one is.

I need to go check out this thread.

bri1270
02-14-2006, 12:05 PM
You know, I used to like AVS, but I can't really stand it anymore. I go on once in a while to see if there might be useful information about a particular product, but that's pretty much it. There are more than a few knowitalls, and neverwrongs that just make the whole board intollerable to me now. Typical transition I guess, since so many people are on it now. That thread was just too funny, and the sad part is that there are so many like that now.

Ad-Rok
02-28-2006, 09:10 AM
Hi Adam,

Thank you for the exceptionally well written review... I will say that I fully appreciate it so thank you.

It was nice speaking with you today and I did read the complete mess on AVS (thanks for letting me know). I don't really know how to comment on what happened over there but as most people recommended, don't sweat it. You enjoy your new speakers and that is what matters most to you.

An exceptionally positive review turns into a war, an exceptionally negative review turns into a war, I personally don't think it is wise to allow mediocrity to become the norm... but this seems to be well represented and even encouraged in today's society...

Adam... Again, I thank you :)

Dave, it's my pleasure, believe me. I'm still enjoying my speakers thoroughly, especially now that I'm playing lossless audio at bit-perfect 44.1kHz output through the popular Chaintech AV710 and Foobar2000 with kernel streaming. Killer combo when mated with your 340SE's.

The insanity of my AVS thread seemed to die down as the post trailed off in the new posts list, and I just stopped commenting further having said all I cared to say, which I think was the right thing to do. Plus, it is still my hope that people seeking (as I was when I was speaker shopping) an opinionated review of Ascends with qualifications of what experience the listener has will find use out of my post.

Anyway thanks all!

Regards,
Adam

Ad-Rok
12-03-2008, 12:47 AM
Just dropping by to see what's new, and wanted to note that I still LOVE these puppies.

My Ascends are currently being driven by this (http://www.diycable.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=140_142&products_id=614), FYI. I built it myself in 2006 when Kevin first released them.

Interestingly, the cross-post of this review I did on AVSForum was apparently deleted. That flamewar was epic. Remember that, Curtis? Yeesh.

Anyway, good sound to all.

Cheers,
Adam

DougMac
12-03-2008, 06:13 AM
Adam,

I only wish you weren't so ambivalent ;-).

Just wait to those puppies break in a little. I noticed a significant improvement after a few weeks.

We had a party last week and I showed our guests our new home theater. One of our guest had gone to the local big box and asked for top of the line. They sold her some speakers from a long standing company known for their large corner speakers that use horn drivers. I'm sure she spent more on speakers than I did.

After watching some clips and listening to a little music, her response was: "OK, now I have a serious case of speaker envy!"

Doug

Ad-Rok
12-03-2008, 09:24 AM
Adam,

I only wish you weren't so ambivalent ;-).

Just wait to those puppies break in a little. I noticed a significant improvement after a few weeks.

Oh they're quite broken in...if you scroll up again you'll note that post was made in February 2006 :-D. I was just stopping by to perform thread necromancy and say I still love 'em, especially with the amp that costs decidedly more than the speakers :-).

Glad you're wow-ing the neighbors. I have steered many people to David's wonderful creations over these few years and will continue to do so.

Cheers,
Adam

curtis
12-03-2008, 09:31 AM
Adam! I was wonder what happenned to you.

Glad to see things are going OK.

DougMac
12-03-2008, 12:55 PM
Oh they're quite broken in...if you scroll up again you'll note that post was made in February 2006 :-D.
Cheers,
Adam
Adam,

Sorry I didn't check to see this is a resurrected thread.

I keep going through my collection, listening for the first time on the Ascends. One thing that struck me last night is harmonies. With my old speakers (and just about everything I've ever heard), the voices blend to one sound. With the Ascends, each voice is clearly distinguishable. You can hear every nuance and how the blend together. I guess I notice this since I sing in my church's choir. Part of my job is to fit in with the other basses, as well as blend with the tenors, altos and sopranos.

Doug

curtis
12-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Part of my job is to fit in with the other basses, as well as blend with the tenors, altos and sopranos.

That is a good test of speakers/woofers. Separating the deeper voices.

Ad-Rok
12-05-2008, 12:31 AM
Adam! I was wonder what happenned to you.

Glad to see things are going OK.

You know what is utterly sad? I moved to Los Angeles and moved back to DC in the time between saying hello to you. What a moron I am, we could have at least had a little sound geek-out session with our respective gear. Oh well, perhaps the call of epic sushi will lure me back to the West Coast soon... :-)

Cheers,
Adam

Ad-Rok
12-05-2008, 12:35 AM
Adam,

Sorry I didn't check to see this is a resurrected thread.

I keep going through my collection, listening for the first time on the Ascends. One thing that struck me last night is harmonies. With my old speakers (and just about everything I've ever heard), the voices blend to one sound. With the Ascends, each voice is clearly distinguishable. You can hear every nuance and how the blend together. I guess I notice this since I sing in my church's choir. Part of my job is to fit in with the other basses, as well as blend with the tenors, altos and sopranos.

Doug

Nice! So glad you are experiencing the truly revealing power of these speakers with all kinds of source material.

I'm an ex-choir guy myself (our organist is still upset with me for quitting, hehe) and I can honestly say I will never sound as good as my Ascends. :-)

Best,
Adam