Need advice on Ascend 5.1 purchase decision...

[Beelzebud]

After many long, grueling hours pouring over reviews, comparisons and user opinions, I have concluded that Ascend seems like the best system for my needs. I'm hoping the users on this forum can give me any advice as to why or why not I should go with the following set-up:

Fronts - CMT340 Main
Center - CMT340 Center
Surround - CBM 170
Sub - VTF2 MK2

The room - 15 x 13 in a 1929 home with wood floors
Pioneer Elite 620HD 58" RPTV
Pioneer VSX 1015TX

I think the Ascends will look great in the room in a very subtle way with the Pioneer set.

I guess the information I'm after is do you have any recommendations based on my room size/limitations? Is there benefit going to the 340's over the 170's and the same with the VTF2 vs. the STF2?

Also, I've seen other speaker stands recommended for the CBM 170, but no opinions of the angled set that's available here. Does anybody use the Omni stands?

I realize that I can return or exchange, but I would really appreciate any opinions from a personal experience point of view. I'd like to get it right the first time!

Thanks!

[Mag_Neato]

Welcome to the forum Beelz!

Let me say, my room is 13' x 18' w/8' ceiling. I am running 170's L/R with a B&W center, recently acquired Axiom QS8 surrounds and a Rocket UFW-10 subwoofer. I am using an Outlaw 1050 receiver. I cannot imagine needing the 340's........the 170's put out a lot of sound in my room. I am considering the 340 center to replace the B&W just to have matching speakers for the front L/C/R. Watching T3 the other day, I'm not so sure I need to replace the B&W, it sounded awesome! Maybe it depends on how the movie was mixed. I'm just curious as to what the 340 can do as a center.

I picked the UFW-10 because I put a priority on musical accuracy, and that is this subs forte'. There are some movie effects that seem less rumbly, but other times there are effects which downright impress compared to my old PSB 12" ported sub.

I say don't second guess the system you've outlined above. You will surely be impressed once you have it set up. ;)

P.S. Any decent 30" stand will do the job. For me I wanted something that matched the asthetics of the 170's. The Metal Technology MU-30's fit the bill!

[BradJudy]

I think this is an excellent selection of products. For most people, there isn't a strong reason to choose the VTF-2 over the STF-2, so it might be a good place to save a bit of money.

I own the slant stands, but mine must be an older version since they are not adjustable as noted on the current product page. They work fine for my CBM-170s. They aren't the most stable since they don't have much weight (nor does it work well to fill them), but they also don't dominate a room visually. If there is a high likelihood of someone bumping into them, you might consider a sturdier stand.

[Lou-the-dog]

I have the same system but opted for the VTF3MKII which is plenty of sub in my room (essentially the same size as yours). I say you've done a fine job picking out a system. Keep in mind that the 170's are fairly large. If you are looking for something less obtrusive then the HTM200's might fit better. If not a worry or multi-channel music is a priority then stick with the 170's.

Randy

[Eddie]

Beelz,

I found that I actually preferred the 170s over the 340s, but this was over half a year after ordering the 340s...thought the 170s stayed flat and neutral into higher volumes than the 340s, which got a tad trebly above about 80-85db to my ears. Originally I bought the 340s because I figured I'd need the extra driver and higher sensitivity in my cavernous 6000 cubic foot space, your room certainly would not pose that issue. The 340center though was worth every penny. IMO the 340s also are much more attractive-looking than the 170s, if that matters at all.

I personally think the 170s are too good to be used as surrounds, but that's me having no interest in ever doing multi-channel music SACD/DVD-A, and seldom watching big budget action movies that have tons of sound effects. I am fine going with cheap Polk R20s as surrounds, you can get R15s for $50/pair at Frys these days.

As for the sub, the main advantage of the VTF-2 over the STF-2 is that you can tune it to 32Hz instead of the STF-2's fixed 25Hz in order to get higher output from music. I agree with Brad that this is where you can go with the less expensive STF-2.

I'd put the savings into a good CDP if music is important to you, I found that the Ascends being truly revealing speakers will show off a good source better than most speakers. I was not impressed when I listened to a couple of CDPs in a shop running some $1500 Monitor Audio floorstanders but when I got one of them home on my 340s, they improved hugely.

[Quinn]

The 340 is the better speaker. The 170 will handle that room easily and sound very good. My 2 channel is 340s and my HT is 170s L/R mains, 340CC, and 200s surrounds.

[Kurt C.]

The 340 is the better speaker. The 170 will handle that room easily and sound very good.Let's qualify that statement a bit.

The 170s and the 340s are both great speakers with their own strengths. The 340s will play louder, have deeper bass, and may have better transient response.

The 170s have a flatter frequency response. (And their use of a single mid/bass driver completely avoids the challenges inherent to using a horizontally oriented MTM speaker as a center channel. Granted, these problems have, for the most part, been overcome by the great care taken with the design of the 340c)

[joshuat]

I purchased the exact same setup as what you are trying to purchase about 2 weeks ago. My room is about 14x18 with 9ft vaulted ceiling. I am driving them with denon 3805 receiver. I have not fully calibrated the system yet as i am waiting for the speakers to break in. I've used both 340m and 170s for 2 channel music. I can tell you that 340m has a fuller sound than 170s for the size of my room. 170 sounded very nice. but 340 just has more power to it. As for movies, it sounded great. i dont think i'll ever go to movies anymore.

[Beelzebud]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

I have finally made the purchase - CMT340L&R, CMT340C, CBM 170 surrounds - and with an expected ship date of 10/17, I anxiously await the arrival of the new system!!! OK... I haven't been this freakin' excited about an electronics purchase since I was...ummmm... younger.... and got a pair of half-price Mach Ones from Radio Shack!
I'm leaning toward one of the SVS towers as my Sub, due to the footprint and an unexpected bonus check. I really enjoy the discussion here... the opinions seem pretty fair and unbiased... and I'll post again when everything is up and running.

Thanks again for the info.

Bud

[bikeman]

Thanks everyone for the replies.
I have finally made the purchase - CMT340L&R, CMT340C, CBM 170 surrounds - and with an expected ship date of 10/17, I anxiously await the arrival of the new system!!! OK... I haven't been this freakin' excited about an electronics purchase since I was...ummmm... younger....Bud
My sympathies on the wait. If it's any consolation, it'll be worth it. Wecome to the club.

David

[Beelzebud]

The man of the hour is the UPS guy.... I just love working at home :)

[Mag_Neato]

Excellent! Get'em hooked up, play'em, and by all means.........enjoy ;)

Oh, and post your thoughts too :)

[Beelzebud]

Okay, it's not really my first impressions... that happened about 11 hours ago... :D ... it's now creeping up on 3:30am, the girlfriend's in New Jersey until Thursday night and I can't justify going to sleep. Too many sonic and subsonic possibilities! Every great review I've read about these speakers just nails it with the incredible imaging and sound stage. So far this evening / morning....

DVD's
The Rock - WOW!!! I'd forgotten how much I love this movie and the Criterion Edition DTS is pretty cool.
Batman Begins - Good HT workout inspite of no DTS
Diana Krall - Live in Paris - great musicians, great imaging, great DVD
James Taylor - Pull Over - Can't believe how much detail I was missing on this performance
YES - Symphonic - I wasn't that impressed with this DVD when I picked it up last year...I am now...
The Incredibles, Master and Commander, Spiderman 2, Gladiator... Whoa!!!
Okay, let's just say I'm extremely happy with my purchase decision...
I've been listening to Morphine for the past 2 hours and the Ascends do an amazing job with the baritone sax...buena, buena, buena. The cd collection gets a good run tomorrow... today...
I think I'll call it a morning...althoughhhh... I haven't used any sick days this year...
Is it wrong for a 44 year old man to pull an all-nighter on a school night and get this much pleasure from a new set of speakers? I think not... :cool:

Bud

My 5.1 set-up:
Pioneer Elite Pro620HD 58" RPTV
Pioneer VSX 1015TX
Pioneer DV 656a player
CMT340 - L, R, C
CBM 170 - surrounds
SVS 25-31 PCi - tuned to 22hz

[curtis]

Is it wrong for a 44 year old man to pull an all-nighter on a school night and get this much pleasure from a new set of speakers? I think not...
Neither do I!

Another Morphine fan!

[Beelzebud]

Might you also be a fan of Twinemen? Great bass and midrange listening... I've downloaded some of their stuff, but haven't given a lot of attention to the cd collection recently, at least, until last night... I just ordered their catalog frrom Hi-n-Dry.com... the sax and bass groove of Morphine rocks on....

[Mag_Neato]

Just what the world needs.......more SAX and VIOLINS!!!! :D

[curtis]

Nope, never heard of Twinemen.

I learned of Morphine because a friend used to date the lead(way before Morphine was formed). When Morphine was in town for a show, she got a bunch of us together to see them....and I was hooked. It is sad what happenned as I think they were just breaking through.

[Beelzebud]

Twinemen is sax player Dana Colley and drummer Billy Conway of Morphine. Laurie Sargent sings and plays guitar (yes, they now have a guitar player). She toured with them in Orchestra Morphine. Same kind of dark-bluesy-jazz-hard-to-categorize-but-extremely-cool vibe that Morphine had going with Mark Sandman. Definitely worth a listen

http://www.twinemen.com/index.html

[curtis]

Thanks!!!

[curtis]

Beelze...I got Twinemen's first CD. Thumbs up! I ordered their current CD.