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    Default AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Any recommendations for an AV receiver for upgrades to a Marantz 5009? Pref an all in one unit for cost and simplicity's sake.

    I struggle with Audessy results and the various surround modes to get the sound I like. For example if you use the audessy settings you can't change the graphic EQ. So the audessey results might be 80% of what I want but maybe I want to tweak the treb in the center and can't.

    I'd also like to be able to save multiple preset sound settings which it doesn't support. So if I change a setting it can affect all modes. I'd like to be able to switch between nighttime and daytime settings or news vs movie preferences.

    For music, generally I'm pretty happy with pure direct mode, which sounds much better than the processed music modes.

    This will probably take a while to settle on something but I might as well start looking. Budget prob < 1750 I think.

    My setup: Sierra 2 LRC, Rythmik F12, Orb surrounds, Rega 2, Cambridge pre, NAD CD, apple tv, pioneer plasma.

    Thx!

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    You can check/view the EQ settings which Audyssey applies after setup, but you are correct that you cannot alter them WITHIN THE AUDYSSEY MODE. So, What I have tried in the past was to take a screen shot of the Audyssey settings and duplicate them in your own EQ setup. Once you have that, you can then play around with different settings.

    As for remembering input-specific modes, etc. you may be better served with a Denon model.
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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    If you want to do that much customization to your room correction/EQ you're going to need a Dirac or Anthem enabled system. They are really expensive. Anthem's most affordable receiver, which is 5.2, is $1,399.

    http://www.anthemav.com/products-cur.../page=overview

    The cheapest Dirac receiver is a few grand I think, but that is rumored to change as people are talking about Pioneer partnering with Dirac.
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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Thx. I really don't want to do that much. Ideally I'd like to set and forget! And with direct mode working well for music, I don't think the space requires a lot of correction. Usually I turn audesesy off but I often keep trying it to see if I can get better movie sound performance. And usually it's the dialog that's a problem. That's one of the reasons I upgraded to the sierra 2's. But the modes just seem to suck.

    I had a crap yamaha soundbar once that had really good settings for stuff like watching news or late night mode, and it worked great. It has a setting that basically gave me the compressed mono quality of a single 6" tv speaker so I could watch the news.

    anyway I'm pretty sure that when I use audyessey, it disables the graphic EQ choice afterwards. I'll double check but I find myself in the menus all the time tweaking stuff. And what works in one situation might not work on something else so the lack of personal settings is a PIA.

    I'll look at Anthem. Emotiva has been mentioned in the past too.



    Thx

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    All 2016 Marantz and Denon models are Audyssey New Smartphone app ready/enable.

    "As Audyssey Pro is phased out, this app will provide many of the same features in an easier to use fashion, making it accessible to consumers as well as custom installers. The app will guide the user through the Audyssey calibration, using the included Audyssey microphone for auto-calibration. The app will also allow the user to check correction results, set target sound options, adjust frequency roll-off, set mid-range compensation controls and save/load/view/print results"

    The New Audyssey Smartphone app will be available for purchase ($20) by the end of 2016. In your case I would go with the Marantz 6011 which have Audyssey XT32.
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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Hmm upgrading the marantz to another marantz wouldnt be the worst thing, in general I like it but I'm skeptical.

    Is the audessey xt32 a big improvement over the silver in the 5009?

    What's the difference between the 6011 and the 7010? They seem almost the same.

    Thx!

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Thinking out of the box, why not go separates with Emotiva?

    The new MC-700 pre-pro looks intriguing and they have plenty of multi-channel amps choices:

    MC-700:
    https://emotiva.com/products/pres-an...FceBfgodkB8ATQ

    Amps:
    https://emotiva.com/products/pres-an...FceBfgodkB8ATQ

    The MC-700 does not have Audissey, but their Emo-Q is pretty good. I have their Fusion 8100 AVR which has an earlier version of it. There is the usual automatic room correction with the microphone, but you can tweak it manually afterward. The 8100 also has three completely independent sets of presets and of course a direct mode.

    Not many details yet on the MC-700 Emo-Q, but I'd find hard to believe it is not as good or better then in the 8100.

    With careful pairing of pre-pro and amps you would still be within your budget

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicHead View Post
    Thinking out of the box, why not go separates with Emotiva?

    The new MC-700 pre-pro looks intriguing and they have plenty of multi-channel amps choices:

    MC-700:
    https://emotiva.com/products/pres-an...FceBfgodkB8ATQ
    What are the differences between the Emotiva MC-700 and the XMC-1?

    I'm still thinking this whole thing over. Mainly because I'm really enjoying the sierra-2s for music. Usually I use pure direct mode and have my F12 sub attached to the pre outs instead of the sub out. I can listen all day and settle right in. Sounds amazing for CD's and vinyl.

    But for HT I'm still often frustrated by the Marantz. Sometimes it's hard to hear dialog or there's just poor balance of the surround sound. I've tweaked and messed with everything. So I decided I can up my budget to about $2.2K.

    So emotiva, anthem, what else?

    Tx!

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Cambridge Audio, going back to the idea of a (beefy) AVR:

    https://www.crutchfield.com/p_779CXR...00.html?tp=179

    NAD used to have good stuff too, but they seems to have dropped the ball with AVRs. What they have left is still good power-wise, but way behind in other features, especially on the video side. Had their T-752 for many years and loved it.

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    Default Re: AVR alternatives to marantz 5009?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blingleberry View Post
    What are the differences between the Emotiva MC-700 and the XMC-1?
    You mean other than the almost 4x price difference? :-)

    XMC-1 has Dirac Live, XLR in/out, more analog inputs, better DACs, more powerful DSP and most likely better components all around. And it is US-built.

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