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    Default Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Hi guys,

    So ... I am using Yamaha RX-v465 receiver. Yea, I know, time to upgrade ... anyway.

    After doing the Yamaha's speaker calibration or whatever it's called with the microphone, I check the setting Yamaha creates.

    Front and rear speakers are set to = Large
    Crossover is at 80
    Bass out = Subwoofer. (here is where the problem is)

    It sets bass out only from the sub and that's fine, BUT .... once I exit the settings, no bass is coming out of the sub. Only when I change BASS out = BOTH sub and speakers, I get the sub to play.

    very strange.

    Anyone know what's going on? Not only do I not feel the base from sub but even on the screen it shows off.

    Like I said .... the only way for me to get the sub going is to have settings Sub out = BOTH (sub and speakers).

    Anyone? What's happening? I think sound will be a lot better if bass was only played through Sub.

    I thought that if this can;t be fixed then maybe I can manipulate this with a crossover set to 100+ ???
    A/V Receiver - Denon AVR 4311ci
    L/R - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Center - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Surrounds - Ascend HTM-200
    Sub - Rythmik F12
    TV - Sharp LC-80LE650U 80-inch
    Blu-ray/DVD - Samsung BD-ES6000
    CD Player - Sony C222ES
    Power Center - Monster HTS 5100 MKI
    Remote - Logitech Harmony One

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Front, rear and center speakers must be set to SMALL.
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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?
    A/V Receiver - Denon AVR 4311ci
    L/R - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Center - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Surrounds - Ascend HTM-200
    Sub - Rythmik F12
    TV - Sharp LC-80LE650U 80-inch
    Blu-ray/DVD - Samsung BD-ES6000
    CD Player - Sony C222ES
    Power Center - Monster HTS 5100 MKI
    Remote - Logitech Harmony One

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pianist718 View Post
    David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?
    Setting the speakers to LARGE disables bass management and the receiver then sends a full range signal to the speakers. It *might* also send bass to the subwoofer (depends on the receiver), but either way -- it is entirely incorrect. Your speakers must be set to small. NEVER blindly trust the results of these Auto EQ systems, they rarely -- if ever, get things right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pianist718 View Post
    David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?
    Pretty sure both...bass out to sub and other speakers to small.

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    With the 465 your sub level is more than likely reduced to minimum if YPAO recognizes the mains as "large". If you scroll thru the receiver and find your "levels" area you will see that the sub level was completely reduced. Raise it to the middle with all set to "small" and start with the 80hz crossover. Its your sub level setting. Everytime I ran my 465 YPAO i would also have to readjust the sub level.

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Thank you guys. Appreciate the quick response.

    Just did the change and I think tv, music, movies now sounds better.

    By the way ... FYI ... 2 days ago, changed the angle of a center speaker to point up just a little to my ear instead of stomach and dialog is now better. Did A/B test a few times to double check and yea, noticed a clearer sound from center.
    A/V Receiver - Denon AVR 4311ci
    L/R - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Center - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Surrounds - Ascend HTM-200
    Sub - Rythmik F12
    TV - Sharp LC-80LE650U 80-inch
    Blu-ray/DVD - Samsung BD-ES6000
    CD Player - Sony C222ES
    Power Center - Monster HTS 5100 MKI
    Remote - Logitech Harmony One

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    If you will be keeping this receiver always remember that when YPAO is run you will always need to reset the sub level anytime a front or main speaker is set to large. With this level receiver it will completely reduce it to nothing. You will also realize how powerful adjusting the levels will be. The sub level set to the middle area makes a huge difference from the minimum setting. Been there done it a boatload of times with this receiver.

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Quote Originally Posted by hearing specialist View Post
    If you will be keeping this receiver always remember that when YPAO is run you will always need to reset the sub level anytime a front or main speaker is set to large. With this level receiver it will completely reduce it to nothing. You will also realize how powerful adjusting the levels will be. The sub level set to the middle area makes a huge difference from the minimum setting. Been there done it a boatload of times with this receiver.
    Strangely ... the sub it set to almost center. I actually had to tone it down by 1-2 clicks on the sub itself. Just a bit too much thump. But overall this thing sounds better now.

    thanks guys/.

    P.S. After hearing things about all these auto system setups, I am paying less attention to the Audyssey and YPAO functionality when picking a new receiver. Leaning towards Yamaha RX-A2010. If anyone owns one or knows it, feedback is welcome.
    A/V Receiver - Denon AVR 4311ci
    L/R - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Center - Ascend Sierra-1 NrT
    Surrounds - Ascend HTM-200
    Sub - Rythmik F12
    TV - Sharp LC-80LE650U 80-inch
    Blu-ray/DVD - Samsung BD-ES6000
    CD Player - Sony C222ES
    Power Center - Monster HTS 5100 MKI
    Remote - Logitech Harmony One

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    Default Re: Help ! My Receiver is Out of Control! Or am I the stupid one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pianist718 View Post
    Strangely ... the sub it set to almost center. I actually had to tone it down by 1-2 clicks on the sub itself. Just a bit too much thump. But overall this thing sounds better now.

    thanks guys/.

    P.S. After hearing things about all these auto system setups, I am paying less attention to the Audyssey and YPAO functionality when picking a new receiver. Leaning towards Yamaha RX-A2010. If anyone owns one or knows it, feedback is welcome.
    Glad to hear that things are sounding better now. In my experience, these auto-EQ systems, regardless of which brand, have done more harm than good. They can be a powerful tool in achieving a better in-room response but only when the consumer is already quite knowledgeable and can somewhat recognize what sounds right and what sounds wrong and that they also know the capabilities of their loudspeakers. Most consumers expect full plug-n-play systems, connect the speakers - run the auto-EQ and like magic, perfect sounding system. This almost never happens and the consumer generally immediately faults the loudspeakers themselves.

    I can honestly say that about 50% of our tech support emails/phone calls are now due to problems with Auto-EQ and we end up spending our time doing the tech support for the receiver manufacturer If something doesn't sound right, who does a consumer call first?

    For example, most of these Auto-EQ systems set the Sierra-1 as "large" speakers but we all know that these are not full range speakers. What then happens is that the EQ then attempts to equalize to "flat" bass response, thus boosting the low frequency response by sometimes as much as +6 at lower than the port tune frequency of the speaker. What happens then? Some loud music or an extremely dynamic movie and bam -- blown Sierra-1 woofer and the average customer is then left wondering what happened without any real understanding of why...

    There is no way for these Auto EQ-systems to know what a loudspeaker's capabilities are and the results can often be disastrous and damaging. Ultimately, the Auto-EQ system should ask for some technical details on the speakers prior to equalization -- this is really the ONLY way Auto-EQ can be executed properly.

    It is like purchasing a sports car and then filling it with Jet Fuel.. Sure, the car is definitely going to go faster but before you know it, not much left of your engine....
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    David Fabrikant
    www.ascendacoustics.com

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