Azanon...I am not disagreeing about having nice bass. People also pay thousands for good midrange and highs. The **** bass module is not worthy of thousands. My preference is that the CBM-170 alone, overall, is better sound than the **** system. Overall...not just the bass. If you feel you need the bass over the rest of the spectrum, I totally understand, but it is not my preference. If good bass is the key to your preference, I can not argue that.

FWIW, I used my CBM-170's with my sub, but if you told me I had to choose between the 170's without a sub and a **** Acoustamass system....I would the 170's any day.

Agreed with Derek. And the bass that does come with the ****, even in the common frequencies in the respective specs, are not anything like the bass from a Hsu sub.

If all you watch are action movies, then yes, a subwoofer is a necessity. But I would have to say for the majority of movies if not all, dialog is more important.

-curtis