The AVS Forum Fiasco discussion...

[muzz]

Hey folks,

I am NOT trying to start a flamewar, but I was, and still am, a bit disturbed by the closure of 1 Sierra thread, and the complete DELETION of another.

There was a response in the pricing thread, that I would like to respond to here, as I didn't want to turn that thread into a morass......

So I figured, I'd bring it up here instead.

Here is the Post I am responding to, and I understand EXACTLY what Quinn is saying, and take my share of the responsibilty for my own behavior ( believe it or not, I held back quite a bit) in that thread....

I was waiting for that 2nd thread to get deleted. You can't thumb your nose at the AVS mods on AVS and expect them to let it slide. There were Ascend fans on that 2nd thread calling out the AVS mods after having a thread closed and a warning issued.

Of course there was some hostility in 2nd thread.

The 1st thread that was LOCKED, was for a really weak excuse, all you need to do is peruse around AVS, and you will see PLENTY of threads in regards to stuff that is NOT on the market.

Quick look around=

The NHT thread, that is many pages long, was started AUGUST/30/05, and is still going strong.... first lines in that thread?

From a NHT newsletter.

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Scheduled to ship in October, NHT CLASSIC will consist of the following eight models.

The NEW B&W600 series thread (they weren't available, they were linking BROCHURES!!)

ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH, this happens EVERYDAY at AVS, I can go on there right now and pull up 10 threads that are HYPING an upcoming product, whether it be an upcoming HDTV, an Upcoming BD player, an upcoming PJ, Upcoming HD Radios,Upcoming this and upcoming that!!

That "Support" excuse is PURE garbage, plain and simple, and yeah it pissed alot of us off...
I myself was a bit ugly on there, I will not deny it, but the excuse for some of their heavy handedness is outright pathetic..

And well, if it wasn't for us enthusiasts, they wouldn't have a forum to peddle their wares in the first place, so IMO it works BOTH ways.

WHY weren't some of the guys in that first thread warned, or why were they allowed to stir up trouble, what ever happened to actually monitoring threads, and deleting offending posts?

I am aware of the member count there, it is obviously VERY busy, and they have ALOT to monitor, but really, a thread that is taking off like that one was, should OBVIOUSLY be easily seen, and monitored.

If ANYONE wants to throw that STUPID, BS excuse out there again, don't waste your time, I have already given 2 PRIME examples of that being total bullshit, and like I said, it wouldn't take long to find more examples.

I am aware that noone is perfect, especially me.

[bleair]

It has nothing to do with being a pre-anounced product.

AVS forums are there based upon one real purpose. The economic benefit/lack of costs to AV Science. They like that enthusiasts come. They like the membership, but if users complain about a thread, or more importantly, if advertisers complain about a thread, it will get deleted.

My ancedotal experience suggests that keeping calm in the heated discussions and just ignoring the taunts is the best way to keep a thread open. Not easy of course.

In the near term, my hope is that someone will be able to post their own first hand comments about their own expereinces with the Sierras and people who are interested in the topic will ask questions and people who aren't, just won't . I can hope anyways

When something new comes out in home theater it can be exiciting for us enthusiasts. People who are excited try to describe positive attributes and the phsyical properties that they think are contributing to the positives. This stuff can get emotional for people and then you get mean posts. I assume that most of the users at avs are just individuals and are there in their free time. I wish they would chill and remember it is supposed to be an enjoable hobby. :P
And for those members that are 'turfing the forums for a business reason, you can usually detect it in their posts and just add those users to your ignore list.

Happy reading

[jvillas]

I have not and wil not post in the avs speaker forum. I would highly recommend everyone to to use the Ascend Acoustics forum.

I admire curtis ablility to handle with skill the avs forum

[muzz]

Yes, Curtis is very calm and restrained(Oh, he gets pissed, but he does really well gathering himself.. thats why he has the kind of job that he does), he and I have discussed this b4,and I have given him props for that.

I am actually VERY mellow in comparison to how I used to be, I know some folks may find that hard to believe, but it's true.
I believe part of that is attributed to talking with Curtis(the other part? Getting older, and dealing with that crap more and more.. practice makes ...), and watching him wade through the minefield with nary a scratch, it is usually quite impressive when things start getting ugly on there.

Lets just say he's the good cop, but at least I am no longer a prisoner......

All I DO know, is what went on over there, was total bullshit.

[jvillas]

Hi muzz, I agree with you in total. While I refuse to post on avs I do regularly visit and read many of the messages. I read then saw the disappearing Ascend thread, and the closing of the other. The administering of the speaker forum is quite poor. I will in the future watch for your posts. Stay Cool

[muzz]

I actually stopped posting there for awhile, they actually banned me(3 days- like I was a HS kid... good grief) for joking around with Mark Schifter(?).
It was CLEARLY a joke, it was NOT obscene either.
He even told me later, that he knew it was a joke, and that HE laughed........

Their excuse?
Derailing threads, and something like rude remarks.....

Lame

[Quinn]

I admire curtis ablility to handle with skill the avs forum

Me too.

I took a long break from there and it is apparent that I need a longer one as I keep getting into it with the same people over the same things.

[muzz]

Me too.

I took a long break from there and it is apparent that I need a longer one as I keep getting into it with the same people over the same things.

Yep....different day, same story... whatever.......

[muzz]

I see ANOTHER Sierra thread got canned...... this is retarded....

Take a look around at how many This Vs That are on there......

I guess the reasoning this time, is something like:
"A thousand people don't have them yet, and this is a support forum".....
"When 1000 prs have shipped, we will allow a comparison"

Outright pathetic.....