Don,

We went from the old Denon with 85 wpc on the front and 25 or 35 wpc on the other 5.1 HT speakers. I had the thing so rear-biased it was pitiful and the rears were still almost invisible on any 5 channel music or HT. I was hooking up the new Denon and having trouble with the video but running the 5.1 sound with the old speakers and my wife walked in, sat down and said, "you're keeping that thing." I told her if the video was really a problem, then it was going back. Fortunately, new connectors cured the video. I thiink at that point, I could have sold her on a new Denon 3805 BUT I doubt the additional 10 wpc would be worth it, especially after hearing the new speakers. So, I know your pain.

I paid $440 for a Denon 2805 online - sold it because i won and set up the 3803 and Art, Edster and others recommended the 3803 over the 2805 it 100wpc - true watts though

I paid 450, including shipping for the used 3803 - 110 wpc;
I think a b stock 3805 could be had for around $600 - 120 wpc.