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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Imagine my exuberance when I saw this thread. I can now get those wonderful RAALs all the way around in a smaller package. :cool:
Have you been able to nail down sensitivty and impedence rating yet?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
loonytunes
Imagine my exuberance when I saw this thread. I can now get those wonderful RAALs all the way around in a smaller package. :cool:
Have you been able to nail down sensitivty and impedence rating yet?
Impedance will essentially be the same as the Sierra-2, a very easy and stable 8ohm average load. Sensitivity will likely be an honest 85dB anechoic.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
sonicboom
The slot port looks very nice. I imagine the internal anatomy being more complex than the Sierra 1/2 due to the port being integrated in the woodwork as opposed to a tube. A bonus is the added rigidity the woodwork will provide.
100% correct. The "slot" itself is actually going to be ~ 9" in total depth.
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Originally Posted by
sonicboom
Dave, do you expect the Sats to sound at least as "big' as the CBMs? I have a 5.1 all-CBM set up and just love the "big-speaker" sound the CBMs make in my room.
Tough to say. As the design stands right now, the CBM's do offer deeper bass extension. However, once we start the crossover design, some overall efficiency can be sacrificed in order to give the sats a bigger sound. Our goal is to try and match the overall tonality and balance of the Sierra-2 as closely as we can...
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sonicboom
Lately, however, I have been looking for a smaller box footprint and tried the RSL CG4 speakers. They are almost exactly of the same dimensions as the proposed Sats but unfortunately their sound seemed to have "shrunk" in my listening area. The "big speaker" sound of the CBMs were gone. What I liked, though, was the small footprint of the RSLs. If the Sierra Sats can match the CBM's "big" sound I will be very interested.
We have demoed a lot of "satellite" speakers with 4" - 4.5" woofers recently. Sadly, not a single set has even come close to matching published manufacturer specs... Not even close. I found our 200's to demolish these speakers in every category and our published specs of the 200's are accurate, even a bit conservative.
While we are not aiming for a "big sound" from these sat's, that same "big sound" was never a design goal for any of our speakers. It comes from a combination of bass extension and midbass, which is all related to bass tuning and overall voicing. While more complicated due to the small size, our design philosophy will not be compromised in any regard with these sat's. These fully custom made 4.5" woofers from SEAS are extremely capable, a beast of a 4.5" woofer.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Thanks for the info Dave. I will be keeping an eye on the site for ordering info. Get a set of 4 ready in Satin Espresso. I cant wait.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
stickx
Hi Dave,
Just found this thread. Currently have 2 Sierra-2's as mains with 2 SVS 2000 subs. Assuming you make a center Sat, would that work in my setup? Due to room limitations the Sierra-2 center is just too big for wife approval.
Thanks,
Bob
Absolutely -- it would work very well :)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
' Our goal is to try and match the overall tonality and balance of the Sierra-2 as closely as we can...'
That's an excellent goal.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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davef
Our goal is to try and match the overall tonality and balance of the Sierra-2 as closely as we can...
Wow! Looks like these speakers are really worth waiting for. A 5.1 set-up with the Sierra Sats all around is in my future.
I currently have an all-CBM 5.1 set-up, all wall-mounted. While they have a sound that is tough to beat in my room, the CBM's size is beginning to look really big on my walls, especially the front. It's true that I can go with the 200s to have a smaller footprint, but I am looking at an upgrade path to the RAALs.
Hats off to you again, Dave, for your excellence in speaker design. This hobby brings gratification to a lot of us because of companies like Ascend.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
wow-REALLY looking forward to these.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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sonicboom
Hats off to you again, Dave, for your excellence in speaker design. This hobby brings gratification to a lot of us because of companies like Ascend.
Thank you for the wonderful compliment, it truly means a lot to us over here. I am keeping my fingers crossed that we will have the final mechanical drawings completed this evening. It is taking a bit longer than anticipated as it is a complex cabinet design with very little room. Ultimately, we might have to make the cabinet slightly larger but we won't know until we get into the crossover design phase.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
Thank you for the wonderful compliment, it truly means a lot to us over here. I am keeping my fingers crossed that we will have the final mechanical drawings completed this evening. It is taking a bit longer than anticipated as it is a complex cabinet design with very little room. Ultimately, we might have to make the cabinet slightly larger but we won't know until we get into the crossover design phase.
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
No, seriously, any update on the cabinet design? Thanks Dave!
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Tell me about it, I have Sierra 2 LCR and Outlaw Audio Ultra x12. I was about to purchase some more for surrounds, but this sat sounds like the perfect companion. I cannot wait! :D
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
I can't wait for photos of the finished product or prototype!
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
Ultimately, we might have to make the cabinet slightly larger but we won't know until we get into the crossover design phase.
Not a problem for me. :)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
100% correct. The "slot" itself is actually going to be ~ 9" in total depth.
Tough to say. As the design stands right now, the CBM's do offer deeper bass extension. However, once we start the crossover design, some overall efficiency can be sacrificed in order to give the sats a bigger sound. Our goal is to try and match the overall tonality and balance of the Sierra-2 as closely as we can...
We have demoed a lot of "satellite" speakers with 4" - 4.5" woofers recently. Sadly, not a single set has even come close to matching published manufacturer specs... Not even close. I found our 200's to demolish these speakers in every category and our published specs of the 200's are accurate, even a bit conservative.
While we are not aiming for a "big sound" from these sat's, that same "big sound" was never a design goal for any of our speakers. It comes from a combination of bass extension and midbass, which is all related to bass tuning and overall voicing. While more complicated due to the small size, our design philosophy will not be compromised in any regard with these sat's. These fully custom made 4.5" woofers from SEAS are extremely capable, a beast of a 4.5" woofer.
Out of curiosity, was one of these speakers the Salk WOW1? They have positive comments from reviewers/users regarding fullness of sound and low end output. Granted, no ribbon tweeter option here. Have never heard them myself.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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wineguy
Out of curiosity, was one of these speakers the Salk WOW1? They have positive comments from reviewers/users regarding fullness of sound and low end output. Granted, no ribbon tweeter option here. Have never heard them myself.
The sensitivity for the WOW1 is pretty low, probably due to getting more bass.
For a satellite meant to be used with a subwoofer, I doubt Dave has the same design goals.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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wineguy
Out of curiosity, was one of these speakers the Salk WOW1? They have positive comments from reviewers/users regarding fullness of sound and low end output. Granted, no ribbon tweeter option here. Have never heard them myself.
No, my reference was not directed towards the WOW1. I would not actually consider the WOW1 a satellite speaker, it is more like a mini-monitor. Either way, the Sierra Sat will compare very favorably...
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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MusicHead
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
No, seriously, any update on the cabinet design? Thanks Dave!
All drawings are finished and with our cabinet maker. 2-3 weeks for first prototype... Keeping fingers crossed that the Sat will perform as well or better than the modeling predicted.
I am thinking R-Sat for the ribbon version. N-Sat for the NrT dome version. D-Sat for standard dome version. Thoughts?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
All drawings are finished and with our cabinet maker. 2-3 weeks for first prototype... Keeping fingers crossed that the Sat will perform as well or better than the various models.
I am thinking R-Sat for the ribbon version. N-Sat for the NrT dome version. D-Sat for standard dome version. Thoughts?
I like it Dave. Easy to understand and sounds good saying them.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
All drawings are finished and with our cabinet maker. 2-3 weeks for first prototype... Keeping fingers crossed that the Sat will perform as well or better than the modeling predicted.
I am thinking R-Sat for the ribbon version. N-Sat for the NrT dome version. D-Sat for standard dome version. Thoughts?
This may be one of few marketing cases where "if you build it, they will come". Call them dog poo and I bet they still sell. However, with other speakers named things like WOW1, somehow R-Sat, N-Sat and D-Sat just sounds too utilitarian to me. They need to be something special like Satinators or FabriSats or something.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Todd WI
This may be one of few marketing cases where "if you build it, they will come". Call them dog poo and I bet they still sell. However, with other speakers named things like WOW1, somehow R-Sat, N-Sat and D-Sat just sounds too utilitarian to me. They need to be something special like Satinators or FabriSats or something.
LOL - FabriSat. ;)
Sierra R-Sat does have a nice ring to it IMO but we are open to anything.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Dave,
I would be all in for a WTW center and 2 Sierra R-Sat to go with my L-R Sierra 2's. I am thinking that a WTW would be a better choice for a center than one R-Sat (Sierra 2 is too big for my available space). Do you agree that I should wait for the WTW? And do you have a rough idea when you might get to the WTW center?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
My two cents about the name, I think Sierra SatX (X being the R, S or D designation) rolls off the tongue better than putting the designation before "Sat." Like Sierra SatR rather than Sierra R-Sat. Or some other mark rather than a hyphen. Like Sat|R.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
I'm no brand naming guy, but would it make sense to keep the sat names consistent with the full sierras?
E.g. Sierra 1 + sierra sat 1, Sierra 1 nrt + sierra sat 1 nrt, Sierra 2 + sierra 2 sat.
Or, rename Sierra 1 to Sierra D/N, and Sierra 2 to Sierra R and then also name the sats D/N/R
I've typed the word "sierra" too many times and now it looks weird to me.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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pj-
Or, rename Sierra 1 to Sierra D/N, and Sierra 2 to Sierra R and then also name the sats D/N/R
I've typed the word "sierra" too many times and now it looks weird to me.
Might caution you using DNR in the naming........Do Not Recessitate :)
These sats are already dead on arrival:). Ha!
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
How about Sierra-M (Mini) or Sierra-S (Satellite)??
Personally I like Sierra-S which is in line with Sierra-1 & Sierra-2..
You can name them Sierra-S (dome version), Sierra-S w/ NrT and Sierra-S w/ RAAL
Dave, other than the name of the new satellite speakers, have you thought about placement options?
If these satellites are intended to be used as surrounds, will you offer flush mount option?
I am thinking maybe you can design sound kind of bracket mount system and flush mount to wall by first secure the bracket to wall then hung the satellite on the brackets?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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justthinking
How about Sierra-M (Mini) or Sierra-S (Satellite)??
Personally I like Sierra-S which is in line with Sierra-1 & Sierra-2..
You can name them Sierra-S (dome version), Sierra-S w/ NrT and Sierra-S w/ RAAL
Dave, other than the name of the new satellite speakers, have you thought about placement options?
If these satellites are intended to be used as surrounds, will you offer flush mount option?
I am thinking maybe you can design sound kind of bracket mount system and flush mount to wall by first secure the bracket to wall then hung the satellite on the brackets?
Excellent! I really like Sierra-S, can further expand to Sierra -SR (for ribbon). Somewhat reminds of a stunning Carrera S that I just drove past ( a sign perhaps ;) )
We will definitely have a flush mount option.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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davef
I really like Sierra-S, can further expand to Sierra -SR (for ribbon).
Hmmm, might want to stay away from Sierra-SNrT.... While there's a certain humor, you probably don't want to be the guy to market a speaker known as the "snort". :)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Sierra-S is perfect Dave!
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
davef
All drawings are finished and with our cabinet maker. 2-3 weeks for first prototype... Keeping fingers crossed that the Sat will perform as well or better than the modeling predicted.
I am thinking R-Sat for the ribbon version. N-Sat for the NrT dome version. D-Sat for standard dome version. Thoughts?
Will there be enough of a price/performance differentiation to make it worthwhile to have three models?
Speaking of price, any recent thoughts on that?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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SGCSG1
Will there be enough of a price/performance differentiation to make it worthwhile to have three models?
Speaking of price, any recent thoughts on that?
The main reason, I suspect, for the three versions is to offer a matching Satellite for each version of regular Sierra ("-1", "NrT" & "-2").
I too am curious as to final pricing.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Since the 1st Sierra was called the Sierra-1 and the 2nd Sierra was called the Sierra-2, shouldn't these be called the Sierra-3?
Regardless, I'll be calling them "surrounds." :cool:
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Then shouldn't the Towers be the Sierra 3 and these would be the Sierra 4? ;)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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holt7153
Since the 1st Sierra was called the Sierra-1 and the 2nd Sierra was called the Sierra-2, shouldn't these be called the Sierra-3?
Regardless, I'll be calling them "surrounds." :cool:
Or rather "Sierraounds" :-)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Mag_Neato
The main reason, I suspect, for the three versions is to offer a matching Satellite for each version of regular Sierra ("-1", "NrT" & "-2").
I too am curious as to final pricing.
Final pricing is, I'm sure, quite a ways off. I'd be happy with ballpark pricing.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
stickx
Dave,
I would be all in for a WTW center and 2 Sierra R-Sat to go with my L-R Sierra 2's. I am thinking that a WTW would be a better choice for a center than one R-Sat (Sierra 2 is too big for my available space). Do you agree that I should wait for the WTW? And do you have a rough idea when you might get to the WTW center?
I will be better able to answer this once I have the prototype cabinets in hand (2-3 week estimate). At this time, my recommendation would be to just sit tight :)
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Back to the naming convention.....
To matchup with the regular Sierra's, I propose the following:
1) Sierra-1 = Sierra Sat-1(SS-1)
2) Sierra-1 w/NrT = Sierra Sat-1N (SS-1N)
3) Sierra-2 = Sierra Sat-2 (SS-2)
Simple, and is easy to understand I think.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
Mag_Neato
Back to the naming convention.....
To matchup with the regular Sierra's, I propose the following:
1) Sierra-1 = Sierra Sat-1(SS-1)
2) Sierra-1 w/NrT = Sierra Sat-1N (SS-1N)
3) Sierra-2 = Sierra Sat-2 (SS-2)
Simple, and is easy to understand I think.
I like it. It makes sense to match the Sat's names with the corresponding Sierras.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
Just my two cents here but...
I like where everyone is going with this. Here are my suggestions:
Sierra Sat: Standard dome
Sierra Sat-N: W/ NrT
Sierra Sat-R: W/ RAAL
Simple naming convention that doesn't confound customers and implies which tweeter is used.
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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Originally Posted by
dtsequoia
Just my two cents here but...
Sierra Sat: Standard dome
Sierra Sat-N: W/ NrT
Sierra Sat-R: W/ RAAL
Plus 1 from me on this. Sat-S, Sat-N and Sat-R.
What about the center?
C-Sat-S and so on?
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Re: New for 2016 - Introducing the Sierra Satellite, or “Sierra Sat” for short!
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loonytunes
Plus 1 from me on this. Sat-S, Sat-N and Sat-R.
What about the center?
C-Sat-S and so on?
Maybe:
Sierra Sat Center (Standard)
Sierra Sat Center N (NrT)
Sierra Sat Center R (RAAL)?