Thank you all for your advice :)
A pair of HTM-200 SE in piano black should be fine then. At least until very small Sierra 0.5 surrounds are released.
But first things first, F12SE awaits!
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Thank you all for your advice :)
A pair of HTM-200 SE in piano black should be fine then. At least until very small Sierra 0.5 surrounds are released.
But first things first, F12SE awaits!
Yeah, I'd be interested in some mini Sierras for surrounds. Currently I use some M&k K5s and they do a pretty good job. But they're aren't in piano black and don't have any bass at all.
The Aperion Audio 4B looks kind of like a mini Sierra but I doubt it sounds much like the Sierra.
Mike S,
I am very curious what a Sierra-0.5 would look like. The Sierra-1 is already a small speaker with 5.25" woofer. Where do you go from there without reaching the HTM-200SE?
Unless you view the HTM-200SE (4") as a mini CMT-340SE (6.5"). In that case the Sierra 0.5 could have a 3.5" driver or even smaller!
The Sierra cabinet is 2/3rds the size of the CMT-340SE....and has a soundstage as big. :)
The woofer in the Sierra is quite amazing.
My understanding from what Dave F posted during their introduction is that the HTM-200SE already use a similar woofer material to the Sierra-1 and have 2x 4" woofers.
My question was in ernest. I can see that if you compare an $800 and $250 speaker pair there are many deltas including the VLAM Bamboo and other differences in components. I'm just trying to understand what people see as a Sierra-0.5 that the HTM-200SE isn't (hopefully prioritized)... I can see myself paying $400 for another pair of speakers to go to 7.1 when the economy recovers or I get funny money (like award money from patents, publications). I'm very happy with the Sierra-1 AND the HTM-200SE and very curious about the Sierra 0.5 that is embedded in the collective conscience...
The Aperion 4B is 8.75" H x 5.33" W x 5.5" D with a 4 inch woofer.
Something similar but with Sierra quality components.... :D:D:D
+1 on 4B that is the size i would like for a rear but not sure about sound match with Sierras. still on the fence. htm 200 wifes thinks they are two big Aperion 4B or ERA 4D. on the short list.
regarding that aperion: why are there two frequency repsonse measurements, one for typical in-room?
(+/- 3dB) 120-20,000 Hz
(+/- 6dB) 100-22,000 Hz
I'd keep in mind the slightly lower efficiency and power handling with that -6db, also the 100hz low end. what is the supposed db loss below 100hz for this speaker? do you plan on crossing over at below 100hz?
granted they are smaller, but only really the height is a major difference here. i'm just trying to keep things in perspective, as i'm sure they are good little speakers-- it just seems the htm's would possibly out perform them in a side-by-side.
the two FR specs just reflect the different FR range with respect to the 3dB and 6dB deviations. The 4B would need to be crossed over to a sub at a fairly higher point than the HTM-200SE....which has a +-3dB of 74hz. It also has sensitivity rating of 87dB as opposed to 84dB.....which roughly means it would take twice as much power to to drive the 4B to the same levels as the 200SE.
Aperion:
(+/- 3dB) 120-20,000 Hz
(+/- 6dB) 100-22,000 Hz
200 SE's:
68Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB
They are comparably priced. Sorry, but that's a huge difference in specs. A fair amount of the population starts to hear directionality @100 hz, even more @ 120 hz. I don't think I'd be happy setting my sub crossover that high.
I have the 200 classics as my back surrounds. They are remarkable little speakers. Before adding them to the home theater, I A/B'd them with some Boston Acoustics CR9's (8" woofer, ported). I preferred the HTM-200s, even in a huge room. They integrated with my sub better than the BA's. The HTM 200SE's are supposed to be even better. I don't see how 2 1/2 inches in height and an inch in width will be a huge aesthetic show stopper. There's also another spec that indicates a substantial difference, the Aperions weigh 6 1/2 pounds compared to the 200SE 10. I bet the beefier construction and (probably) bigger magnets lead to an acoustic difference.
Doug
Aperion:
(+/- 3dB) 120-20,000 Hz
(+/- 6dB) 100-22,000 Hz
200 SE's:
68Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB
ERA 4D 58Hz- 20KHz unsure on dB
84 on sensitivity = to Aperion 4b
Thanks for the great info. It helped me quickly ruled out the Aperion 4B. Of course it was the wife’s choice when I placed a cut out of all three speakers on the wall ;). Now the final will be between the ERA 4D and HTM 200se. It looked like the ERA has a good range but 84dB sensitivity, that shouldn't be a problem with the maac and my pioneer sc-07??. Any thoughts I know the cost for the ERA is higher I might shop used on audiogon if I decide to go with the D4. Thanks, Vandy
The Sierra 1 can do 40hz with a 5 inch woofer. I bet the Sierra 0.5 could easily do 80hz with a 4 inch woofer...
That would be sweet. I believe the ERA d4 is a four inch woof with that ability.
The ERA D4's looks beautiful in pictures and the specs are quite impressive. I don't think I'd pay $600 for surrounds, though. If the mythic Sierra 0.5 was $350 or max $400 I'd consider it when I next add speakers IF it were a bamboo cabinet sized like the ERA D4 and if it wasn't marginal at 80 Hz crossover.
With 5.1 The HTM-200SE doesn't stand out in my large room and on the SP-30 stands they look pretty nice opposite the Sierra-1's (though at ear level) But if I added 2 more speakers, I couldn't have them as big as HTM200SE's (I returned 170SEs because it was visually too large for my room in 5.1....).
You guys are forgetting that the ability of a speaker's to play reach lower in the FR is not just a function of the size of the driver, but also the size of the enclosure, and efficiency as well (among other things). Asking for something like that in the class of the Sierra for $400/pr is a pretty far reach IMO.
But do rear channels need to be efficient? If that's what you give up, I think I'd live with it (for <$350 or <$400 and in a few years)...
Hi Guys,
Just to Summarize feature set for a possible Sierra .5
Single 4" woofer
Same Sierra-1 tweeter
Smaller than the HTM-200 SE
Bamboo enclosure
Easy wall mounting
Front ported (will need to be ported to hit the LF requirement)
What would you be willing to pay for a pair of these?
Dave,
I would pay as much as $500 maybe more depending on size. I believe the ERA 4s in PB is over $700 retail, and the bamboo finish/ enclosure would be nicer! I would look for something a bit smaller then the ERA D4 more like the ERA D3 or the M&K k5. It would be nice to cross at 80 if possible. I know it's kinda dreaming. Vandy
Just out of curiousity, how would these assumably compare to 170's in fr and linearity, would they outperform? I think I'd pay around 300-350$ b/c of the conveinence factor of size and port location. assuming these could be placed as front mini-bookshelf's for smaller systems, that'd be a nice pricepoint too.
You would have to define outperform in this case. The 170SE's are $348/pr...what do you want for your extra $50?
I'd say, for about $450-500/pr.....give me bass extension of the 200SE(maybe a bit better)...and from there on up in the class of the Sierra. Size was, smaller than the 200SE and easy to mount....with matching cabinets.
whoops, i meant closer to 500$!
Using the same percentage price difference between the CMT-340 and CMT-170 would put the Sierra .5 at ~$520. Equating the extra driver of the CMT-340 to the bigger driver of the Sierra-1 makes that seems like an almost valid comparison... although I'm just making this up as I go. :rolleyes:
Dave, I'm sure whatever price you settle on will be fair.
Front-ported! Yowza! Easy placement bliss. :)
Hope I'm not stepping on any toes here, but I felt the posts were getting a bit burried in the other thread (http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/sho...?t=3755&page=4)
I'd have to say, I thought the .5 was a bit of joke talk, but if this is an actual possibility I'd have to say I'm very excited to see it come to fruition, as I'd hopefully be able to say I own a pair of sierra's without breaking my bank :D
These could bring hi-end sound to the masses. True, a good sub will still be required to get the full benefit, but for smaller systems these would be killer!
OK...I moved the related posts to this thread.
Are we being serious ? A Sierra .5 ? I have been advocating, calling for these for quite awhile. Wow! Yes! No doubt this speaker would have extraordinary but limited bass response thus the need for a sub woofer would still be essential for serious 2 channel listening in most set-ups. I wonder a bit about efficiency and power handling given its smaller size.
What would I pay probably $500. to $650. depending on what compromising went into the design of the .5. I would also assume the Sierra1 would break the $1000. barrier perhaps reaching the $1,100. price point, or even higher.
Also special pricing would be cool with the purchase of a sub woofer.
Also, if it makes sense in a smaller speaker, to incorporate the OPPIX crossover technology.
Someone mentioned the Usher S520. I just sold my pair. Had them for about 9 months. They have great build quality. Well above its price point. What I found after 9 months of use was a rather limited bass mid-bass output and quite edgy top end. I could not listen to them for very long without getting tired.
This differs somewhat from my initial thoughts on these speakers posted elsewhere.
OK, let's play along...:cool:
My wishlist for the Sierra .5 surrounds:
-Able to cross over to sub at 80hz comfortably.
-Sealed or front ported for wall mounting.
-Same tweeter as Sierra 1.
-Bamboo cabinet, with natural and piano black finishes.
-Same size as HTM-200SE, or smaller.
-Around $500 a pair.
I forgot to mention. Front porting is an excellent idea. Set-up becomes much less of a concern, and much easier to accomplish.
Dave,
A .5 with all those options and a size of 7" to 9" tall 5" to 6" wide and deep.:):):) cross at 80 MAGIC!!!
Given most Ascend members thoughts on the possibility of a Sierra .5 loudspeaker, and its use as a surround mate to the Sierra 1 which only makes sense.
I would hope that the .5 would have a broader appeal and use. The price point of say $500.-$600. is extremely competitive. The speaker market is flooded with offerings in this price range, and some of these speakers have pretty decent sound including Ascends own CMT 340SE. The challenge
as I see it the .5 would have to be reviewed and accepted as among the very best offerings at its price point. Similar to how the Sierra 1 has been roundly applauded for its looks, wonderful sound, great value, and ability to hold its own among speakers costing much much more.I believe the Sierra1 is a Classic.
Whenever, if ever there is a .5 there is no doubt in my mind that Dave would once again Oooh, and Aaah us all with a speaker that is both beautiful(eye candy), and with sound quality unheard of at its price point. Yet again destined to be another classic.
Its magic. Dave's magic.
Is this a serious possibility?
While I'm very happy with my 200SE surrounds, I'd seriously consider the upgrade to a pair baby Sierra's to better match my L/C/R. Then I could move the 200SE's elsewhere.
I'd definitley be willing to pay something in the $500 range, maybe a little more. Sign me up for a pair of piano blacks please. :D