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lmm
05-04-2005, 11:42 AM
In my setup, I think I need to side mount the surround speakers. (See photo of my current setup (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=14419&size=big&sort=1&cat=500).)

Do I need to point the surrounds at the seating area? If so, anyone have a suggestion for a decent-looking way of mouting the HTM-200s from the side?

As you can see from the picture, the brick would prevent a rear mount (I think).

I'm thinking of getting the Pioneer 1015tx along with Ascend 340s for the front and HTM-200s for the surrounds; anyone else running that configuration?

curtis
05-04-2005, 11:51 AM
here is a good site for setting up the proper speaker locations:
http://dolbylabs.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html

For mounting in your setup, you could use L brackets from the hardware store and paint them to match your decor.

lmm
05-06-2005, 01:22 PM
I'm worried that it would look bad, or wouldn't be sturdy enough, compared to wall-mounting brackets designed especially for the purpose.

Is there anyone with actual experience side-mounting Ascend surrounds?

:confused:

jimsiff
05-06-2005, 01:50 PM
Home Depot sells some glass shelves that mount directly to a wall using a stud mounted horizontal decorative steel strip. I saw them in a center channel mounting thread on AVS awhile back. I know they make different sizes, and they look like they're floating on the wall when installed. You could get one for each HTM-200 and just set the speaker on the shelf.

Sorry I can't provide a link or a picture. If you hunt in the Rear Projection forum on AVS for center channel mount you might find what I'm talking about.

curtis
05-06-2005, 02:16 PM
Here is a picture of one of my surrounds with the Home Depot bracket.....I was going to paint it.....

http://www.thechangs.us/ceiling1.JPG

I have since angled the speaker downward a bit with the same bracket.

jimsiff
05-06-2005, 03:26 PM
The L bracket is a nice and simple solution. When mounting into drywall though, I would be concerned about side loading of the L bracket because the speaker isn't exactly light and drywall is much softer than wood beams.

From the specs on the Accessories page, it looks like the Omnimount has 3" clearance from the wall and 90 degrees horizontal turn radius. The HTM-200 is 6.5" wide, so it's possible you could turn the 200 sideways. You might call Ascend to see what they say. If you need an additional 1/2-1" clearance, you could make some small mounting pads for the Omnimount out of MDF. You could radius the edges and prime/paint them to match your wall color. They would dissapear unless somebody was inspecting your work. :D

If that doesn't work for you, you might go to the Omnimount web site. They have a bunch of different mounts besides the ones Ascend sells. Maybe one of them can extend far enough from the wall for the HTM-200 to be turned 90 degrees. Another cheap albeit crude solution crude would be to fabricate simple triangle brackets from 1/2" angle steel and short 1/4" x 20 bolts and nuts. It would be functional but probably not pass the WAF factor.

lmm
05-07-2005, 05:26 PM
The Omnimount OMT 7.0 has one with an 8.35" arm length, but it only supports up to 7 lbs. The HTM-200 only lists shipping weight: 19 lbs for 2. I would guess though that they weigh more than 7 lbs each.

The Omnimount ProAudio WA 20.5 B (Omnimount PDF spec) (http://www.omnimount.com/pdf/pdf_pro/specifications/ProAudiospec.pdf) seems to have enough of an extension (4 5/8") from the wall, if there's enough clearance for the 1 1/8" wall bracket cover, and holds enough weight (up to 20 lbs).

Omnimount has a speaker reference chart (http://www.omnimount.com/speaker.asp?q=A) but they don't list Ascends (!).

lmm
05-11-2005, 12:08 PM
Why didn't someone tell me, on the ascend accessories page (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/access/accssintro.html) there are wall mounts for the HTM-200s (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/access/brackets/bt05htm200.html) and also for the CBM-170s (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/access/brackets/omni_series20.html) which support "90 degree horizontal rotation. Where these there before and I just missed them? :confused:

Anyone have these and willing to post photos of what they look like when installed and turned 90 degrees? I want to judge WAF :D

jimsiff
05-11-2005, 12:20 PM
I alluded to the Omnimounts sold by Ascend in my first response, but I just assumed you had already seen them. They can pivot 90 degrees, but does the arm extend away from the wall far enough to allow the speaker to be turned sideways? That would be a question for Ascend. Here's the info I posted previously about the Omnimounts from Ascend:


From the specs on the Accessories page, it looks like the Omnimount has 3" clearance from the wall and 90 degrees horizontal turn radius. The HTM-200 is 6.5" wide, so it's possible you could turn the 200 sideways. You might call Ascend to see what they say. If you need an additional 1/2-1" clearance, you could make some small mounting pads for the Omnimount out of MDF. You could radius the edges and prime/paint them to match your wall color. They would dissapear unless somebody was inspecting your work.

lmm
05-16-2005, 10:12 PM
I talked to Dave@Ascend, and he said that Omnimounts allow the speaker to turn, but not 90 degrees. If I really need a side mount, it's possible to use the mounting kit that comes with the omnimounts to drill holes :eek: in the sides of the HTM-200s and mount them from the sides.

"It won't harm the speakers".

Well, I think I'll try the rear mounts first, and see how it goes before drilling my new surrounds (when they arrive).

s2pdname
05-17-2005, 06:24 AM
I talked to Dave@Ascend, and he said that Omnimounts allow the speaker to turn, but not 90 degrees. If I really need a side mount, it's possible to use the mounting kit that comes with the omnimounts to drill holes :eek: in the sides of the HTM-200s and mount them from the sides.

"It won't harm the speakers".

Well, I think I'll try the rear mounts first, and see how it goes before drilling my new surrounds (when they arrive).

Last week I called Ascend, and spoke with Dave, and was told the same thing. He assured me that it would not hurt the 200's accoustically to mount them with wood screws from the side. I am in much the same situation, and on one hand am hesitant about doing this. But, if you cannot trust the man who designed and manufactured the speakers, who can you trust?

I have not yet ordered my 200's, will in the next 2 weeks, we'll see. Let us know how it goes for you.

jimsiff
05-17-2005, 09:22 AM
Dave told me the same thing about drilling into the side of the speaker. While I'm sure it would be fine, I don't want do harm the speakers visually. I plan on keeping my Ascends for a long time. They'll definitely outlive the room they're in. I may not want to side mount them next time.

I'm considering making my own wall mount stands out of MDF. When I finalize my idea I will let you know what I came up with.

lmm
05-17-2005, 10:34 AM
Just browsing partsexpress, I wonder if there might be some other options than the omnimounts, for example a mount with a plate under the speaker (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-252), rather than a side mount.

It's hard to tell just from the catalog entry whether this would work with the 200s.

s2pdname
05-17-2005, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the idea, Imm, but in my application the 200's will have to be mounted above the seating position and tilted downward just a bit. I will then have to angle them down a little and would either risk the speaker sliding off, or I would have to screw holes into the bottom of the speaker.

Great idea, though, the search and assistance is greatly appreciated.

lmm
05-17-2005, 12:18 PM
based on advice I read elsewhere, I've been using "Quake-Hold" earthquake putty to attach speakers to stands and shelves. I think it would keep speakers on lower mounts even when tilted at a 30 degree angle. I bought it at Orchard Supply, but you can find it online (http://www.kidsmartliving.com/quakeholdputty.html).

s2pdname
05-18-2005, 07:39 AM
Outstanding! I have read about others using Blu-Tak (sp?), but wasn't sure if that would hold a tilted speaker. This Quake-Hold stuff looks like it may do the trick. Thanks a lot. I'm not quite positive how I'm going to mount the 200's yet, but this at least opens up some other options. :D

lmm
05-22-2005, 10:28 AM
I really didn't want to drill my new speakers to mount them. So I went ahead and used the omnimounts, which allow them to tilt "enough", I think, to point at the listening position.

Setup:

http://menlo-studios.homeip.net:8080/photogallery/ht/htm200s.jpg

Closeup:

http://menlo-studios.homeip.net:8080/photogallery/ht/htm200-close.jpg