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Pianist718
10-01-2012, 06:59 PM
Hi guys,

So ... I am using Yamaha RX-v465 receiver. Yea, I know, time to upgrade ... anyway.

After doing the Yamaha's speaker calibration or whatever it's called with the microphone, I check the setting Yamaha creates.

Front and rear speakers are set to = Large
Crossover is at 80
Bass out = Subwoofer. (here is where the problem is)

It sets bass out only from the sub and that's fine, BUT .... once I exit the settings, no bass is coming out of the sub. Only when I change BASS out = BOTH sub and speakers, I get the sub to play.

very strange.

Anyone know what's going on? Not only do I not feel the base from sub but even on the screen it shows off.

Like I said .... the only way for me to get the sub going is to have settings Sub out = BOTH (sub and speakers).

Anyone? What's happening? I think sound will be a lot better if bass was only played through Sub.

I thought that if this can;t be fixed then maybe I can manipulate this with a crossover set to 100+ ???

davef
10-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Front, rear and center speakers must be set to SMALL.

Pianist718
10-01-2012, 07:35 PM
David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?

davef
10-01-2012, 07:43 PM
David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?

Setting the speakers to LARGE disables bass management and the receiver then sends a full range signal to the speakers. It *might* also send bass to the subwoofer (depends on the receiver), but either way -- it is entirely incorrect. Your speakers must be set to small. NEVER blindly trust the results of these Auto EQ systems, they rarely -- if ever, get things right.

Pilk
10-01-2012, 07:43 PM
David. ... you're suggesting that to fix the receiver to play bass out of Sub or is it both ... to enable the option AND because you suggest playing those speakers in SMALL ?

Pretty sure both...bass out to sub and other speakers to small.

hearing specialist
10-01-2012, 08:05 PM
With the 465 your sub level is more than likely reduced to minimum if YPAO recognizes the mains as "large". If you scroll thru the receiver and find your "levels" area you will see that the sub level was completely reduced. Raise it to the middle with all set to "small" and start with the 80hz crossover. Its your sub level setting. Everytime I ran my 465 YPAO i would also have to readjust the sub level.

Pianist718
10-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Thank you guys. Appreciate the quick response.

Just did the change and I think tv, music, movies now sounds better.

By the way ... FYI ... 2 days ago, changed the angle of a center speaker to point up just a little to my ear instead of stomach and dialog is now better. Did A/B test a few times to double check and yea, noticed a clearer sound from center.

hearing specialist
10-01-2012, 08:20 PM
If you will be keeping this receiver always remember that when YPAO is run you will always need to reset the sub level anytime a front or main speaker is set to large. With this level receiver it will completely reduce it to nothing. You will also realize how powerful adjusting the levels will be. The sub level set to the middle area makes a huge difference from the minimum setting. Been there done it a boatload of times with this receiver.

Pianist718
10-01-2012, 08:33 PM
If you will be keeping this receiver always remember that when YPAO is run you will always need to reset the sub level anytime a front or main speaker is set to large. With this level receiver it will completely reduce it to nothing. You will also realize how powerful adjusting the levels will be. The sub level set to the middle area makes a huge difference from the minimum setting. Been there done it a boatload of times with this receiver.

Strangely ... the sub it set to almost center. I actually had to tone it down by 1-2 clicks on the sub itself. Just a bit too much thump. But overall this thing sounds better now.

thanks guys/.

P.S. After hearing things about all these auto system setups, I am paying less attention to the Audyssey and YPAO functionality when picking a new receiver. Leaning towards Yamaha RX-A2010. If anyone owns one or knows it, feedback is welcome.

davef
10-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Strangely ... the sub it set to almost center. I actually had to tone it down by 1-2 clicks on the sub itself. Just a bit too much thump. But overall this thing sounds better now.

thanks guys/.

P.S. After hearing things about all these auto system setups, I am paying less attention to the Audyssey and YPAO functionality when picking a new receiver. Leaning towards Yamaha RX-A2010. If anyone owns one or knows it, feedback is welcome.

Glad to hear that things are sounding better now. In my experience, these auto-EQ systems, regardless of which brand, have done more harm than good. They can be a powerful tool in achieving a better in-room response but only when the consumer is already quite knowledgeable and can somewhat recognize what sounds right and what sounds wrong and that they also know the capabilities of their loudspeakers. Most consumers expect full plug-n-play systems, connect the speakers - run the auto-EQ and like magic, perfect sounding system. This almost never happens and the consumer generally immediately faults the loudspeakers themselves.

I can honestly say that about 50% of our tech support emails/phone calls are now due to problems with Auto-EQ and we end up spending our time doing the tech support for the receiver manufacturer :mad: If something doesn't sound right, who does a consumer call first?

For example, most of these Auto-EQ systems set the Sierra-1 as "large" speakers but we all know that these are not full range speakers. What then happens is that the EQ then attempts to equalize to "flat" bass response, thus boosting the low frequency response by sometimes as much as +6 at lower than the port tune frequency of the speaker. What happens then? Some loud music or an extremely dynamic movie and bam -- blown Sierra-1 woofer and the average customer is then left wondering what happened without any real understanding of why...

There is no way for these Auto EQ-systems to know what a loudspeaker's capabilities are and the results can often be disastrous and damaging. Ultimately, the Auto-EQ system should ask for some technical details on the speakers prior to equalization -- this is really the ONLY way Auto-EQ can be executed properly.

It is like purchasing a sports car and then filling it with Jet Fuel.. Sure, the car is definitely going to go faster but before you know it, not much left of your engine....:eek:

Pianist718
10-01-2012, 09:30 PM
very good point Dave.
Now I think everything is set to correct measures.

Speakers at Small. EQ=OFF, Bass out through SUB only.

Now looking into possibly treating a room with some Auralex panels. Behind speakers, directly across, corners, etc. We'll see. Though a friend of mine is dwelling how a better receiver will make the speakers shine and that right now they are producing 50% of what they can do.

davef
10-01-2012, 09:40 PM
very good point Dave.
Now I think everything is set to correct measures.

Speakers at Small. EQ=OFF, Bass out through SUB only.

Now looking into possibly treating a room with some Auralex panels. Behind speakers, directly across, corners, etc. We'll see. Though a friend of mine is dwelling how a better receiver will make the speakers shine and that right now they are producing 50% of what they can do.

These settings look correct, from here you can try using EQ on/off etc. to see what sounds better to you but be sure the receiver maintains the small settings for the speakers. You can also try lowering the crossover from 80 to 60Hz, if you have that option.

So your friend is stating that a new receiver will make the system sound 50% better? Does he work for an A/V retailer? :p:p :D

Seriously, from this point the two best options for achieving better sound quality if you are going to spend more $$ are:

1. Go with the Sierra Towers
2. Invest in room treatments (go with the DIY options, can save a small fortune and very easy!)

From that point, I would then consider a receiver or amplifier upgrade.

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 07:50 AM
These settings look correct, from here you can try using EQ on/off etc. to see what sounds better to you but be sure the receiver maintains the small settings for the speakers. You can also try lowering the crossover from 80 to 60Hz, if you have that option.

So your friend is stating that a new receiver will make the system sound 50% better? Does he work for an A/V retailer? :p:p :D

Seriously, from this point the two best options for achieving better sound quality if you are going to spend more $$ are:

1. Go with the Sierra Towers
2. Invest in room treatments (go with the DIY options, can save a small fortune and very easy!)

From that point, I would then consider a receiver or amplifier upgrade.


:-) ..... I've asked the question about receivers on other forums and feedback is overwhelming. One is screaming that receiver made all the difference, others say pick one that has features you like and be done with it. The crazy part is that it's really 50x50 feedback.

I am assuming that what makes the difference is settings. People set different settings on a different receiver and it becomes an incorrect A/B test.

Also ... it's probably a person wanting to hear the difference. You tell someone that item B costs 3 times more than item A and people "hear" a difference.

Adding the HTM-200 as my surrounds yesterday was like placing a cherry on the cake. Last piece of the puzzle. :-) They do sound nice. ...... compared to my 10 year old Onkyo HTiB surrounds.

Next upgrade ...... whatever new thing you come up with for Sierra-1.

JustaSheep
10-02-2012, 08:22 AM
very good point Dave.
Now I think everything is set to correct measures.

Speakers at Small. EQ=OFF, Bass out through SUB only.

Now looking into possibly treating a room with some Auralex panels. Behind speakers, directly across, corners, etc. We'll see. Though a friend of mine is dwelling how a better receiver will make the speakers shine and that right now they are producing 50% of what they can do.

Another setting I've found is flat out wrong after running room correction is the distance of the sub from listening position and how it effects timing of the bass compared to the other speakers. In my setup (Audyssey), I found it had the distance about right physically, but the result was a delayed response from the sub. I moved it back in 2ft increments until it was seamless with the other speakers. Moving it back in the AVR settings tricks it into thinking it has to send that signal earlier in order to blend with the other speakers.

Sheep

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 10:42 AM
Another setting I've found is flat out wrong after running room correction is the distance of the sub from listening position and how it effects timing of the bass compared to the other speakers. In my setup (Audyssey), I found it had the distance about right physically, but the result was a delayed response from the sub. I moved it back in 2ft increments until it was seamless with the other speakers. Moving it back in the AVR settings tricks it into thinking it has to send that signal earlier in order to blend with the other speakers.

Sheep

Very interesting. I'll definitely try that tonight. Moving it back 1, 2 feet

Blutarsky
10-02-2012, 02:26 PM
For my room the YPAO made my system sound terrible. I had help from an expert, (Thanks) and nothing I tried worked. I think someone better at this than me needs to lay hands on it.

I reset my Yammy receiver, and did manual set up. I am using a 3.1 system. Maybe YPAO doesn't work as well for this.

I wound up setting my Compact Horizon, and Towers on small, with Crossover either 60 or 80 Hz. Still experimenting.

Another huge variable is speaker positioning. Don't even think about running the auto set up, until you have played several CDs using Pure Audio mode, and adjusted the speaker positions. This is impossible while you are using a Sub, and Center speaker. When I was a stereo dude, it would take a long time to find the sweet spot. (Months)

This might be worth a try.

B.

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 03:29 PM
These settings look correct, from here you can try using EQ on/off etc. to see what sounds better to you but be sure the receiver maintains the small settings for the speakers. You can also try lowering the crossover from 80 to 60Hz, if you have that option.

So your friend is stating that a new receiver will make the system sound 50% better? Does he work for an A/V retailer? :p:p :D

Seriously, from this point the two best options for achieving better sound quality if you are going to spend more $$ are:

1. Go with the Sierra Towers
2. Invest in room treatments (go with the DIY options, can save a small fortune and very easy!)

From that point, I would then consider a receiver or amplifier upgrade.


I have a chance right now of grabbing the Yamaha RX-A2010 receiver for $749 shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-A2010BL-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B0056GJLJ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349212729&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha+rx-a2010

You're saying that it won't do much to my sound? Upgrading from a old, entry level receiver Yamaha RX-v465

curtis
10-02-2012, 03:44 PM
I know Brian speaks highly of the Yamahas.

Is that the reason you are stuck on Yamaha?

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 03:50 PM
I know Brian speaks highly of the Yamahas.

Is that the reason you are stuck on Yamaha?

After reading reviews, Yamaha 2010 did look like a good model. Plus this good deal ... plus I currently have a Yamaha, plus a friend speaks highly of Yamaha's and ................... my Piano is a Yamaha :-)

curtis
10-02-2012, 04:27 PM
After reading reviews, Yamaha 2010 did look like a good model. Plus this good deal ... plus I currently have a Yamaha, plus a friend speaks highly of Yamaha's and ................... my Piano is a Yamaha :-)
Have you researched Onkyo, Denon, Anthem, or HK?

The reason why I ask is because thus far, YPAO has not proven beneficial in your setup, so it might be better to try something else like Audessey XT32. EQ systems, in my experience, is a hit or miss proposition.

I also think trying Q Plug A in the center channel would be beneficial.

Also, as Blutarsky mentions, positioning is very key, and other than Trinnov, I don't know of any other EQ system that will even begin to correct for it. BTW, I consider your center channel without the Q Plug to be a position issue.

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 05:14 PM
Strange feedback. What i understood is that with no EQ, just running sound through a better receiver, components like better amp, electronics, default sound processing should improve the sound. Is that understanind incorrect? Because it seems like what you guys are saying that the only benefit of a new receiver is things like better Audyssey, etc.

davef
10-02-2012, 05:33 PM
You're saying that it won't do much to my sound? Upgrading from a old, entry level receiver Yamaha RX-v465

This depends on you and how you intend to use the new receiver (I discussed this previously) If you want to run the system as pure analog and bypass all the DSP processing, the new receiver will have a very minimal effect on sound quality.

If you intend to use DSP processing, such at Auto-EQ and various other DSP "modes", the new receiver can be quite beneficial, assuming it has the latest codecs and YPAO has been significantly improved from your current model. Again -- that is an assumption.

davef
10-02-2012, 05:55 PM
Strange feedback. What i understood is that with no EQ, just running sound through a better receiver, components like better amp, electronics, default sound processing should improve the sound. Is that understanind incorrect? Because it seems like what you guys are saying that the only benefit of a new receiver is things like better Audyssey, etc.

Not strange feedback at all -- knowledgeable feedback.

With no EQ running and no DSP processing, please detail what exactly you are getting with a "better" receiver, besides more power? Technically, how does the step up model receiver achieve better sound quality? Does the new receiver use MOSFETS in the output stage? Does it change from an IC amplifier stage to a discrete output stage? Does the new receiver upgrade to a toroidal transformer or does it provide a different type of feedback circuit or perhaps use better quality opamps in the pre-amp stage? Besides more power and improved DSP processing, what makes this new receiver "better"? Why not call Yamaha and actually ask them?

More power does not provide better sound quality unless you are running at extremely loud volume levels and it really takes twice the power to make a noticeable difference at these levels.

There is no magic to this, amplifier and preamplifier stages are very simple circuits and until someone is able to provide for me at least one legitimate technical improvement in either the amplifier or pre-amplifier stage, besides DSP, I remain extremely skeptical that one unit has better sound quality then the other...

Pianist718
10-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Got it :). Good info.

I though that when people say better sound it's because of EQ and other sound modifiers. My friend made it sound to me that it will produce better sound just because it's better built. Components wise

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 01:00 PM
Just a thought ..... if I change my crossover from 80Hz to 60Hz .... will that make my Sierra-1s sound fuller? My sub is not turned on high so I thought maybe i am better off sending a bit more bass to the fronts.

what do you guys think?

Dark Ranger
10-03-2012, 01:20 PM
Give it a try and see. :) There is no harm in experimentation. That is half the fun with this hobby.

For music, I found the Sierra-1s sounded better with the crossover set lower than 80 Hz. Not only was the sound "fuller" as you might say, but it integrated better with my sub in the room. 60 Hz sounded good, so definitely give it a try. For my room and my preferences, I settled on 50 Hz.

That said, I still run the Sierra-1s at 80 Hz for movies.

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Give it a try and see. :) There is no harm in experimentation. That is half the fun with this hobby.

For music, I found the Sierra-1s sounded better with the crossover set lower than 80 Hz. Not only was the sound "fuller" as you might say, but it integrated better with my sub in the room. 60 Hz sounded good, so definitely give it a try. For my room and my preferences, I settled on 50 Hz.

That said, I still run the Sierra-1s at 80 Hz for movies.

Now I need a receiver that would allow me to save different sound options .... one for movies and one for music. My current one I THINK, doesn't do that.

Blutarsky
10-03-2012, 01:32 PM
I wound up with my Sierras with B-plugs at 40 Hz crossover.

The distance from the rear wall, and toe-in are other variables.

Try Resetting your Receiver to get rid of accumulated fiddling. Start with basic manual setup without DSP.

Don't Panic, and carry a towel.

B.

curtis
10-03-2012, 01:36 PM
All things being equal, and good sub integration....crossing over at 60hz and 80hz should not change the fullness...but maybe the quality.

With my old sub, I could hear a difference with quality between 60hz and 80hz...with 60hz sounding better, so that is where I crossed.

With my current sub, I hear no difference between the two, so I cross at 80hz. I use Q Plug B in all my Sierra-1's. I used to use Q Plug A in my center, but some rearranging, and I moved to the B plug.

Do the Sierras sound "full" when set to large and no sub in use?

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 01:40 PM
All things being equal, and good sub integration....crossing over at 60hz and 80hz should sound the same.

Do the Sierras sound "full" when set to large and no sub in use?

Nope .... i like them with Sub.

JustaSheep
10-03-2012, 01:41 PM
Now I need a receiver that would allow me to save different sound options .... one for movies and one for music. My current one I THINK, doesn't do that.

I'm pretty sure with my Onkyo 809 the crossover setting is not configurable per source or preset. Many things are, but not crossover, distance, etc. as they could affect the other EQ settings dramatically.

curtis
10-03-2012, 01:53 PM
Nope .... i like them with Sub.
Then changing the crossover isn't going to make them sound fuller.

Lowering the crossover to 60hz put more bass responsibility on the Sierra-1. If you don't think the Sierra-1 sounds fuller on its own, giving it more bass responsibility would be going backwards.

After following your issues, I agree with Bluetarsky, you should totally reset your receiver and start from scratch.

hearing specialist
10-03-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm looking on page 24 of your receivers manual and it shows and explains the movie button, the music button, the stereo button (stereo playback, multi channel stereo playback, and compressed music enhancer), and finally your surround decode button. All on the remote. Your scene buttons directly on your receiver as you know switches playback between sources only. All above don't even get into your sound field programs. Most all receivers from entry to pro will decode what's available, its the features and added functions you will gain if you still are considering a more advanced product. Do you want massive control over each channel, more defined adjustability, dial norm functions, and more accuracy in manually setting the system up? If so, the 465 will need to be replaced. The distance will have to still be set with this product if YPAO is not used. This product due to its design is maximized using the room correction setup. If you don't want the EQ then run the calibration on "Fronts" to allow the receiver to at least time everything and align everything. The front mode adds zero EQ to your Sierra's and zero to your sub, just times everything and tries to get the distance to listening position set or it will not sound good. This product rely's on using the correction setup.

Dark Ranger
10-03-2012, 03:18 PM
All things being equal, and good sub integration....crossing over at 60hz and 80hz should not change the fullness...but maybe the quality.

With my old sub, I could hear a difference with quality between 60hz and 80hz...with 60hz sounding better, so that is where I crossed.

With my current sub, I hear no difference between the two, so I cross at 80hz. I use Q Plug B in all my Sierra-1's. I used to use Q Plug A in my center, but some rearranging, and I moved to the B plug.

I used 80 Hz for a long time. However, based on Alleric's findings a while back, I wanted to give it another shot since many things have changed in my setup. In my room, there were noticeable differences with how the Sierras sounded with specific crossover settings. The lower crossover settings definitely added more weight to the fronts. My room is much smaller than yours, so that may be part of it. :)



Do the Sierras sound "full" when set to large and no sub in use?


Nope .... i like them with Sub.


Then changing the crossover isn't going to make them sound fuller.

Lowering the crossover to 60hz put more bass responsibility on the Sierra-1. If you don't think the Sierra-1 sounds fuller on its own, giving it more bass responsibility would be going backwards.

After following your issues, I agree with Bluetarsky, you should totally reset your receiver and start from scratch.

Pianist:

Since you've acknowledged the Sierra-1s don't sound "full" when set to Large with no sub, I have to agree with curtis here. Crossover adjustment will not help. Using a crossover means that the frequencies below the crossover point are attenuated at a specific rate. Technically, the higher the crossover, the more "thin" a speaker would sound because low frequencies contribute weight, body, and depth to the audio signal. Remove those and the speaker can sound very different.

Honestly, Blutarsky has good advice here: reset your receiver and start over with configuration. There is definitely something strange going on...

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 04:14 PM
I used 80 Hz for a long time. However, based on Alleric's findings a while back, I wanted to give it another shot since many things have changed in my setup. In my room, there were noticeable differences with how the Sierras sounded with specific crossover settings. The lower crossover settings definitely added more weight to the fronts. My room is much smaller than yours, so that may be part of it. :)








Pianist:

Since you've acknowledged the Sierra-1s don't sound "full" when set to Large with no sub, I have to agree with curtis here. Crossover adjustment will not help. Using a crossover means that the frequencies below the crossover point are attenuated at a specific rate. Technically, the higher the crossover, the more "thin" a speaker would sound because low frequencies contribute weight, body, and depth to the audio signal. Remove those and the speaker can sound very different.

Honestly, Blutarsky has good advice here: reset your receiver and start over with configuration. There is definitely something strange going on...


What I meant is that .... speakers sound full but with sub overall sound is better. Now .... for mid frequencies that my speakers can handle with no problems, I don't want them sounding "thin". I'd rather have the sub come in when sound goes below 60Hz.

Anyway .... leaving office now ... heading home ... will play with crossover when I get to it. :-)

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 06:51 PM
just noticed that my Yamaha receiver had the Adaptive DRC option turned ON all this time. Which ... limited the lows and highs in ability to produce full range. Once I turned it Off .......... dialog became much much clearer and louder, at the same time ... explosions only became louder from my sub ... not overall loudness that I wouldn't like.

curtis
10-03-2012, 07:31 PM
just noticed that my Yamaha receiver had the Adaptive DRC option turned ON all this time. Which ... limited the lows and highs in ability to produce full range. Once I turned it Off .......... dialog became much much clearer and louder, at the same time ... explosions only became louder from my sub ... not overall loudness that I wouldn't like.
Bingo!

I still think you should reset the receiver.

Pianist718
10-03-2012, 08:05 PM
Bingo!

I still think you should reset the receiver.

:-) strange no>? shouldn't this option actually make dialog much, much clearer???

natetg57
10-03-2012, 08:51 PM
I'm getting to where I want less processing. I switched Audyssey XT on and off today and even though I really I want to like it, I think the imaging and 'air' around the highs was better with it off. Instruments sound a little more 'real' and natural without Audyssey, so I won't be using it for now. I haven't had good success with Dynamic Volume type modes either. So it's a typical case of ymmv. Some people love the auto-calibration/digital processing modes and others don't.

curtis
10-03-2012, 10:25 PM
:-) strange no>? shouldn't this option actually make dialog much, much clearer???
Well, it depends on how it was implemented.

Tough to say because we are only going by your descriptions and not actually hearing for ourselves.

Alleric
10-04-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm getting to where I want less processing. I switched Audyssey XT on and off today and even though I really I want to like it, I think the imaging and 'air' around the highs was better with it off. Instruments sound a little more 'real' and natural without Audyssey, so I won't be using it for now. I haven't had good success with Dynamic Volume type modes either. So it's a typical case of ymmv. Some people love the auto-calibration/digital processing modes and others don't.


On pure, 2-channel stereo listening, I notice a very, very distinct shifting in front image between the DIRECT (source + EQ, distance and standing wave) and DIRECT PURE (source... no processing by the AVR). Telling the AVR to shut everything off and just play the source's info unaltered yields a much wider, deeper, more saturated sound stage. On the times I am sitting dead center doing critical listening, this is the way I roll. Every other time I have it set to DIRECT. Under direct, the soundstage collapses slightly and really focuses the center image, to the slight detriment of the width. The tradeoff is that there are indeed some equalization issues when the processing is turned off. It's a compromise in a non-dedicated room, so you just do what you can.

As for subs, no subs, crossovers of subs, etc... my opinion is pretty well known at this point. Rooms vary, equipment varies, sources vary... and people vary. I've been told at times that the sound I like is brutally clinical when it comes to bass, and maybe that's true. All I know is that this is the most effortless and in-control my setup has ever sounded on music, movies, whatever, and attribute a great amount of that to my Sierra's and my Big Black Box (VTF-3).

choirbass
10-04-2012, 07:25 PM
yeah, I really wouldn't say any DSP filters do much to improve the sound clarity and openness.. but they certainly can modify how things sound overall. It's more of a tradeoff than anything.

Pianist718
10-04-2012, 09:39 PM
I notice that the same option is available on the new Samsung Blu Ray player and when I turn it ON there, it's actually not bad. Makes it a bit easier on the ears for really loud music. I still get all the highs and lows of sound but it's contained a bit better.

i am thinking if I'll get a better, clearer dialog sound if I upgrade my receiver.

catsAf
06-03-2014, 06:39 PM
I doubt anyone will see this, but, I have a question....is it ever correct to run the Sierra 1s as Large? I don't have a sub....I've not blown the sierras and there is tons of bass, so I never considered a sub. Should I be running it as "small" though? Thanks

Oh. I see I can't...without a sub, it defaults to Large on my Denon 2809 ci

curtis
06-04-2014, 03:06 PM
I doubt anyone will see this, but, I have a question....is it ever correct to run the Sierra 1s as Large? I don't have a sub....I've not blown the sierras and there is tons of bass, so I never considered a sub. Should I be running it as "small" though? Thanks

Oh. I see I can't...without a sub, it defaults to Large on my Denon 2809 ci
Sierra-1 as large is fine, it is when Audessey tries to boost the low end when that makes it bad.